DETTERLING ASKS ... GENE ANSWERS
Detterling:
In what respect does Galatians 3:28 exclude homosexuals from the mercy of Christ or, as St Paul puts in "being all one in Christ Jesus" and hence being welcomed in to the kingdom of God.
Perhaps begin by demonstrating how a person who is a member of Jesus Christ ["ye are all one in Christ Jesus"] can simultaneously be excluded from the kingdom of God.
Gene:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Here’s the New Revised Standard Version.
Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.
Sodomites are excluded from the Kingdom of God. Got that?
You can't bluff and bluster your way out of this one Detterling.
What frightens me about this, Gene, is that you genuinely seem to think that this prevaricating waffle answers my question.
ReplyDeleteIT DOESN’T BEGIN TO.
I asked you to demonstrate how, in Galatians 3:28, St Paul’s proclamation that “ye are all one in Christ Jesus” can be held to exclude ANYONE from the kingdom of God.
You have failed completely to do this - you have not even REFERRED to the verse in question, let alone offered any exposition of it.
Instead of which you simply cite. YET AGAIN. a verse from another epistle which, as Revd Candace Chewell’s analysis proved, does not even refer to homosexuality in the original Greek.
Not that you read Revd Chewell’s article anyway, given that in response to my posting you stated that if she were a lesbian, her translation would be spurious - an assertion of dazzling stupidity.
So: your response to my challenge is prevarication, denial and demented stupidity - par for the course.
You haven’t answered my question because you can’t, and you know it. Hence your falling back on your tried and always useless tactic of repeating a lie hoping that on a ninth repetition someone will mistake it for the truth.
Another very bad fail from Gene. Epsilon minus, and wrong, but WRONG again. Dear God. What a clown you are.
"I asked you to demonstrate how, in Galatians 3:28, St Paul’s proclamation that “ye are all one in Christ Jesus” can be held to exclude ANYONE from the kingdom of God."
ReplyDeleteAnd you could not have it demonstrated more cogently. And in Saint Paul's own words.
Sodomites, amongst others, are excluded from the Kingdom of God.
You are banged to rights Detterling - and you know it.
No, Gene, for two reasons.
ReplyDelete(1) you were asked to demonstrate how, In Galatians 3:28, St Paul’s words “ye are all one in Christ Jesus” can be interpreted to mean that anyone can be excluded from the kingdom of God.
You have not done this - because you can’t.
(2) the counter quotation you have used is an inaccurate translation twisted to say something that St Paul did not mean.
And wittering on about my being “bang to rights is irrelevant waffle.
Another spectacularly bad fail from Gene Vincent, the Russell Brand of theology.
"No, Gene, for two reasons.
ReplyDelete(1) you were asked to demonstrate how, In Galatians 3:28, St Paul’s words “ye are all one in Christ Jesus” can be interpreted to mean that anyone can be excluded from the kingdom of God."
Saint Paul makes clear we are all one in Christ - no one is excluded. But we know from the gospels and from Saint Paul's theology throughout his epistles the exceptions are those sinners who through their own volition exclude themselves. Sodomites are a good example here. Their vile sin excludes them. But, God's mercy is still open to them should the repent and leave their evil ways.
Detterling are you saying that sinners, unrepentant and still sinning, should enter the Kingdom of God?
ReplyDeleteAh, yes. Clumsy and inept evasion tactic number three - pretend that the question I asked (and which you have repeatedly refused to answer - because you can’t) is actually about something else. I am offering no opinion on whether or not sinners, unrepentant or otherwise, should enter the kingdom of God, for the simple reason that I am not God. Nor am I an arrogant bastard like you who thinks he can make up God’s mind for Her.
ReplyDeleteNo: who I am is the person persistently asking you a question you can’t answer - or, rather you could, but you won’t. This is because. if you did, and did so honestly (as unlikely as that may seem) if would show up your malicious bigotry in all its un-Christian nastiness.
So, Gene, I ask again: answer me this:
Demonstrate how, in Galatians 3:28, St Paul’s proclamation that “ye are all one in Christ Jesus” can be held to mean that ANYONE can be excluded from the kingdom of God.”
In other words, tell us how these words can be shown somehow to embody an exclusion clause for homosexuals or trans-sexuals.
Referring to other texts is simply evading the question yet again. so it won’t wash, Gene: so don’t bother.
It’s a simple question, Gene: why are you trying everything you can to avoid answering?
Gene Vincent, the Liz Truss of theology.
Demonstrate how, in Galatians 3:28, St Paul’s proclamation that “ye are all one in Christ Jesus” can be held to mean that ANYONE can be excluded from the kingdom of God.”
ReplyDeleteHow many more times? We are all included. But souls will exclude themselves by their sins. Sodomites for example by their vile, depraved and evil sin.
"I am offering no opinion on whether or not sinners, unrepentant or otherwise, should enter the kingdom of God"
I am not asking for an opinion. I am asking for an answer. You know the answer but you are too much of a bottlejob to admit it.
Ah, evasion tactic number four - the classic “when you stop beating your wife” question. As to who may be excluded from the kingdom of God and for what, nobody can say unless, like you, they are arrogant enough to read the mind of God or, as well, claim to understand the limits of Her mercy. Only the blasphemously arrogant or the blasphemously stupid - people like you, in a word - would presume to second guess God in that fashion.
DeleteI ask again - how does Galatians 3:28 exclude anyone from the kingdom of God. It is not an answer to say - as you have - that this text says that everyone is included except the ones who aren’t - and expect to get away with such feeble casuistry. I have asked you eleven times now how St Paul makes that stipulation IN THE WORDS OF THAT TEXT, and you have not answered because you can’t. Another fail for Gene Vincent, the Nigel Farage of theology.
And I suppose you have no answer either if I ask you if Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin are excluded from the Kingdom of God. You won't answer that because you are a bottlejob.
ReplyDeleteAn impossible question to answer - which of course is why you are asking it. Unless you are blasphemously arrogant enough to read the mind of God or blasphemously stupid enough to claim that you know the limits of Her forgiveness of sinners, and unless you know the state of mind of these demented tyrants at the moment of their deaths, then there can be no answer. Only arrogant simpletons like you - who do not begin to understand “the appalling strangeness of the mercy of God”. - would dare to.
Delete"In other words, tell us how these words can be shown somehow to embody an exclusion clause for homosexuals or trans-sexuals."
ReplyDeleteTotally dishonest. What a cowardly evasion.
Homosexuals or trans-sexuals are not excluded but exclude themselves if the sin. Sin in sexual morality, or sin in any other way. Just as I, a heterosexual, exclude myself if I sin.
No sinner inherits the Kingdom of God.
Not a cowardly evasion at all. And not at all dishonest, unlike your frantic wriggling as you try to substantiate your bigotry as if it were intellectually respectable.
DeleteWhere, in Galatians 3:28, does St Paul lay out or even imply the exceptions for homosexuals or trans-sexuals you claim to be embodied in his statement that “ye are all one in Christ Jesus”?
ReplyDeleteStop bullshitting and admit that you cannot answer my question truthfully without blowing your own malicious bigotry out of the water.
What a terrifically stupid man you are.
"Where, in Galatians 3:28, does St Paul lay out or even imply the exceptions for homosexuals or trans-sexuals you claim to be embodied in his statement that “ye are all one in Christ Jesus”?"
ReplyDeleteI have said repeatedly that Paul makes exceptions of no one - homosexual or trans-sexual or whatever. All are one in Christ. What you deliberately refuse to acknowledge is that sin is what causes a soul to be excluded from the Kingdom of God. The sin of sodomy is vile and as St Paul writes, sodomites will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
No one is fooled by your bluff and bluster and cowardly evasions.
Will sodomites inherit the Kingdom of God? NO.
You are banged to rights and you know it.
Reduced to repeating the same lies in the hope that someone will believe you. Pitiful.
ReplyDeleteIf “all are one in Christ Jesus” no-one is excluded. Simple.
Go on then; show me where exclusion comes into Galatians 3:28.
You can’t because it doesn’t and your continued attempts to compare apples with pears is getting you nowhere.
Looks like another massive fail for Gene Vincent, the Barbara Cartland of theology.
And of course your pitiful attempts to avoid answering my question are only a part of your simple minded malice. It is unpardonable nastiness on your part to define homosexuality as a sin.
ReplyDeleteA sin is something contrary to the will of God that you do BY CHOICE. So, the concept of sin includes telling lies (as you do): being a hypocrite, a drunk and dirty minded (like you), setting yourself up as a judge of the behaviour of others (like you), or simply being a pious, canting creeping Jesus (like you).
It follows that qualities and behaviours which are natural and in born - hence God-given - cannot be sinful. One such quality is homosexuality - no one chooses their sexuality. Homosexuality therefore CANNOT BE a sin. And, crucially therefore, expressing that sexuality CANNOT BE a sin - unless it involves coercion or forcing a partner to do things they do not wish to do. Sex, however expressed, whether heterosexual or homosexual - cannot be a sin so long as it is consensual.
Another bad fail for Gene - the Piers Morgan of theology. Is there no end to his pernicious malice, stupidity and nastiness.
Oh, and don’t trot out the “intrinsically morally disordered” Ratzinger crap again. A man like him, who shielded and protected paedophile priests in his dioceses, archdioceses and the Vatican, has no moral authority at all. Nor, crucially, is he God, any more than you are, Gene, much though you seem to think you are.
Game, set, match and tournament to Detterling - AGAIN!
ReplyDeleteWhile I think of it:
A: what did the literary agent make of Sammy Pulls His Wire or whatever it was called?
B: how is You Got Me, Dude coming on? It was so bad it can’t possibly have got worse. How about a scene where the rock star is exposed as a liar, a talentless wanker, a hypocrite and a fraud? You’d be well placed to write about that using the basic tenet of “write about what you know.
C. When IS Granny Barkes Pissed Her Knickers in Waitrose being published. Detterling having cleared the field by postponing publication of his memoirs until after he has died, there can be no excuse for any further delay on your part, Gene.
Maybe we should see what Paul has to say in Romans?
ReplyDeleteRomans 1:26-27
New International Version
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Well, well, well. No comfort here either for the ARSEnokoitai.
No sodomites in the Kingdom Of God. Got that!
One definition of insanity is the repeating of the same action time after time and expecting a different outcome. Your endless quoting of this verse didn’t answer my question the first time you failed to answer it, it still doesn’t and it never will any more than your other evasions.
ReplyDeleteAnother epic fail for Gene Vincent, the Enid Blyton of theology.
"Your endless quoting of this verse didn’t answer my question the first time you failed to answer it, it still doesn’t and it never will any more than your other evasions."
DeleteI have never quoted that verse before. Check it out. You are well and truly losing it Detterling.
"One definition of insanity is the repeating of the same action time after time"
ReplyDeleteExactly! Like repeating the madness that the C of E does not teach that homosexual acts are incompatible with Scripture. Like repeating the falsehood that sodomites are not excluded from the Kingdom of God.
Detterling get this into your failing intellect:
ReplyDeleteNo soul is ever excluded from being one in Jesus Christ. Souls are only excluded by the own volition. By sin.
Sodomy for example. Sodomy is a vile and shameful sin. Any soul practising sodomy will never enter the Kingdom of God.
There is nothing wrong with my intellect. As I proved yesterday, homosexuality is not a sin - it is a God given condition just as is Ted hair, green eyes or, as in your case, in-built hypocrisy. And I am not repeating the statement that “ all are one in Christ Jesus”. I am asking you where, IN GALATIANS 3:28. ST PAUL STATES THAT HOMOSEXUALS ARE EXEMPT FROM THIS PROMISE. And I am going to go on asking you until you admit that he doesn’t. Just as I am going to go asking you when “Granny Barkes fell in Woolworths” is going to be published until you admit that it never will be.
ReplyDelete'homosexuality is not a sin' Nobody says it is. And of course you know this. The sin is not homosexual orientation but sin of homosexual activity - such as the shameful sin of sodomy.
ReplyDeleteSaint Paul nowhere in Galatians states that homosexuals are excluded. I have said this ad infinitum. Just read back through these threads.
But, as your Church, the C of E teaches, homosexual acts are incompatible with the Scriptures. Unrepentant and active sodomites will never be admitted to the Kingdom Of God.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT SOMEONE WHO IS AN UNREPENTANT MURDERER, THIEF OR SODOMITE SHOULD NEVERTHELESS BE ADMITTED TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD?