POPE FRANCIS: Is he Catholic after all?
Recently he has reiterated:
No women priests
No women deacons
No gay men to be admitted to the priesthood
No recognition of gay marriage
No blessings for gay unions
And he complained about 'too many faggots' in seminaries in Italy.
Keep sticking your fingers in your ears, Gene, and you may yet drown out the truth which is that
ReplyDeletethe Catholic church will find a way to admit women to the diaconate and the priesthood when, in about thirty years' time, it becomes apparent that it will be the only way to keep Catholic churches open
the Catholic priesthood contains a much higher proportion of homosexual men than is found in the general population. In the US, polls and estimates put this at percentages varying between 15% and 45%, and there is no reason to suppose that this figure is not reflected in the UK
and the blessing of couples who are in same sex relationships or marriages can only be distinguished from the recognition of those relationships and the bless of those relationships by linguistic hair splitting by bigoted bell-ends like Gene Vincent.
"And he complained about 'too many faggots' in seminaries in Italy."
A rude and unpleasant comment which he withdrew and apologised for immediately that it was pointed out that the term he used was an insulting one.
Yes, Gene, he apologised - because he has honesty, integrity, compassion and humility.
Of course, that's it, that's why you never apologise, because you are a liar, a treacherous bastard, and a cruelly pitiless bombast.
"...and the blessing of couples who are in same sex relationships or marriages can only be distinguished from the recognition of those relationships and the bless of those relationships by linguistic hair splitting by bigoted bell-ends like Gene Vincent."
ReplyDeleteIn that case Pope Francis must be a 'bigoted bell-end' since he has very clearly stated that homosexual unions cannot be blessed. No way out of that one Detterling - and you can call black white all day long but it will not change that fact.
No, Gene, even by your catastrophically low standards this will not wash.
ReplyDeletePope Frances authorised his priesthood to bless couples in same-sex relationships: it was Cardinal Fernandez who "clarified" the position [for the benefit of bigoted bell-ends like you] by saying that the church was not thereby blessing same sex marriage - a distinction not worth making for the simple reason that it doesn't exist.
The Holy Father's 2021 pronouncement on same-sex relationship was superseded by his 2023 pronouncement, and you can gainsay that as much as you like, you can't make him un-pronounce it. Pope Francis has gone as far as he dares - in the face of opposition from the vast army of bigoted bellends in the Vatican - including those who are homosexual, about 75% of them according to one estimate and who are terrified of being outed. He is a courageous, compassionate and inclusive man, and you would do well to follow his example, Gene.
And where is your snappy comeback to these other points, Gene?
the Catholic church will find a way to admit women to the diaconate and the priesthood when, in about thirty years' time, it becomes apparent that it will be the only way to keep Catholic churches open - WHY NO SNAPPY COMEBACK TO THAT, YOU MISOGYNISTIC LITTLE CREEP?
the Catholic priesthood contains a much higher proportion of homosexual men than is found in the general population. In the US, polls and estimates put this at percentages varying between 15% and 45%, and there is no reason to suppose that this figure is not reflected in the UK - WHY NO SNAPPY COMEBACK TO THAT, YOU NASTY LITTLE HOMOPHOBE?
No, Gene, once again, you are assuming that official hierarchical doctrine defines what happens at, so to speak, parish level. It doesn't, and it never has.
For example, the Catholic Church does not recognise divorce, yet you, as a divorced man, have access to all the Catholic sacraments allowed you by priests who know your condition. The process of annulment, as we both know, is an utterly bogus work around which enables the church to claim that the marriage never actually happened. How any Catholic priest can proclaim that and keep a straight face God alone knows: SO TELL US, GENE, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE AN ADULTEROUS HUSBAND AND THE FATHER OF THREE BASTARDS?
Likewise, as a Catholic you are forbidden to practice artificial contraception by the Holy Father - but, unless you only shagged Marianne three times and hit the jackpot each time, you plainly did in your [adulterous] second "marriage" [sic]: WHY NO SNAPPY COMEBACK TO THIS ONE, EH, GENE "FETHERLITE" VINCENT?
Two examples only out of many - all of which completely destroy your preposterous claims that all members professing an Abrahamic faith accept its teachings on everything. You are a living example of that fact.
"Granny Barkes fell in Woolworths" is still selling like pork pies at a shul bring and buy - currently number 2,800,967 in the Amazon Best Seller List.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you should get Clive James to review it.
The Catholic Church will never have women ordained ministers.
ReplyDeletePope Francis has said so.
All the Abrahamic faiths (not some as you have claimed) teach that homosexual acts are sinful.
Just check it out.
Stuffed again Detterling!
Because you have been obscene about Marianne the gloves are now off. Just watch me go for the jugular you malicious so-and-so!
ReplyDelete"The Catholic Church will never have women ordained ministers.
ReplyDeletePope Francis has said so."
Well, that's that, then, isn't it? The Holy Father never changes his mind. Oh, wait:
"Prior to his election as Pope Francis, as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Jorge Mario Bergoglio led public opposition to the parliamentary bill on legalising same-sex marriage in Argentina - in 2010."
"Francis signalled the Church's openness to blessings for gay couples as long as they did not misrepresent the Catholic view of marriage as between one man and one woman - in 2023"
"All the Abrahamic faiths (not some as you have claimed) teach that homosexual acts are sinful."
No, Gene, this catch-all statement is bollocks. Just as you, a so-called devout Catholic, have undergone a divorce [which does not exist in the Catholic Church] and married again [a marriage classed as adulterous], and practised artificial contraception for as long as you and poor Marianne had a sexual relationship], then the gap between official faith hierarchical doctrine and what actually happens at grass roots level gives the lie to that statement.
Stop talking balls, Gene.
"Because you have been obscene about Marianne the gloves are now off. Just watch me go for the jugular you malicious so-and-so!"
Oh, piss off, you precious, pearl clutching twat, you canting hypocritical bastard. You are so terrified of my blowing the whistle on the filth you wrote about my beloved wife and son that you have censored that post every time I put it up. Don't start poncing about pretending that your feelings have been hurt - you have no feelings, you ironclad bell-end.
One word about my family and the shit will hit the fan in Uxbridge within twenty four hours.
Got that, BASTARD?
"Francis signalled the Church's openness to blessings for gay couples as long as they did not misrepresent the Catholic view of marriage as between one man and one woman - in 2023"
DeletePope Francis has clearly stated that homosexual unions can never be blessed. End of story. Stop lying Detterling.
"Francis signalled the Church's openness to blessings for gay couples as long as they did not misrepresent the Catholic view of marriage as between one man and one woman - in 2023"
DeleteSource - The Vatican.
"Pope Francis has clearly stated that homosexual unions can never be blessed."
No, this was Cardinal Fernandez' "clarification" of the Holy Father's statement, verified by the Vatican Doctrinal Office that
"A Catholic priest can bless a gay or other unmarried couple as long as it is not a formal liturgical blessing and does not give the impression that the Catholic Church is blessing the union as if it were a marriage."
Note, therefore, that the union is blessed - just not blessed in the same way as would be a heterosexual marriage.
Stop making stuff up, Gene.
"One word about my family and the shit will hit the fan in Uxbridge within twenty four hours."
ReplyDeleteThus speaks a yellow-bellied, lily-livered bottlejob making shameful threats to have others fight his battles.
Why don't you come out and fight like a man you big Nancyboy?
"Thus speaks a yellow-bellied, lily-livered bottlejob making shameful threats to have others fight his battles. Why don't you come out and fight like a man you big Nancyboy?"
ReplyDeleteAh, get stuffed, you grubby little shit. Since when did you "come out and fight like a man"?, you cowardly little turd? You bleat about free speech and then remove from your blog posts that remind everyone of the filth you wrote about buggering my wife - free speech, but only when it suits your two faced bastardy.
You have no commitment to free speech, Gene: what you want is to be able to be nasty, cruel and vicious, but never to have to face the consequences.
I repeat - by all means exercise your right to free speech and attack my wife and family. But do so knowing, that if you do, you will be made to take the responsibility for what you say instead of cowering behind a pseudonym. Publish one word about my wife or any member of my family, and the priests and staff of all the Catholic churches in Uxbridge will read it within twenty four hours.
That is not a threat, it is a promise.
"Publish one word about my wife or any member of my family, and the priests and staff of all the Catholic churches in Uxbridge will read it within twenty four hours.
ReplyDeleteThat is not a threat, it is a promise."
What a shameless yellowbelly!
"Note, therefore, that the union is blessed - just not blessed in the same way as would be a heterosexual marriage."
ReplyDeleteThere is something very wrong with you. You have read several times that Pope Francis has declared very clearly that homosexual unions are not blessed and can never be blessed. What part of that do you not understand?
And for so long as you maintain your desperate refusal to accept the facts about your church offering blessings to couples in same-sex marriages, I will keep posting the official Vatican communique on the matter:
Delete""Francis signalled the Church's openness to blessings for gay couples as long as they did not misrepresent the Catholic view of marriage as between one man and one woman. Source - The Vatican."
The Vatican also said
""A Catholic priest can bless a gay or other unmarried couple as long as it is not a formal liturgical blessing and does not give the impression that the Catholic Church is blessing the union as if it were a marriage."
Note, therefore, that the union is blessed - just not blessed in the same way as would be a heterosexual marriage.
Stop trying to prove that 2 + 2 = 7, Gene.
There is something very wrong with you. You have read several times that Pope Francis has declared very clearly that homosexual unions are not blessed and can never be blessed. What part of that do you not understand?
ReplyDeletePOPE FRANCIS
ReplyDelete"What I allowed was not to bless the union," he said. "That cannot be done because that is not the sacrament. I cannot. The Lord made it that way. But to bless each person, yes. The blessing is for everyone."
"What I allowed was not to bless the union," ... Detterling that is not difficult to understand. Are you totally obtuse?
Methinks it is more that you just do not want to accept the Pope's clear and unequivocal statement that same sex unions cannot be blessed.
You are just making yourself look ridiculous.
If the Holy Father wishes to make things clear then he needs to have a word with the Vatican press office, who made this clear and unequivocal statement:
Delete""Francis signalled the Church's openness to blessings for gay couples as long as they did not misrepresent the Catholic view of marriage as between one man and one woman. Source - The Vatican."
The Vatican also said
""A Catholic priest can bless a gay or other unmarried couple as long as it is not a formal liturgical blessing and does not give the impression that the Catholic Church is blessing the union as if it were a marriage."
This statement - that the Catholic Church is not blessing the union as if it were a marriage - makes it clear that the union IS blessed - as and of itself as a same sex union, not as an imitation of some other kind of relationship.
If the Holy Father wishes clarify the matter perhaps he should get his Vatican officials to re-word their statement.
The problem is, Gene, that the Holy Father is, at last and thank God, coming to terms with the fact that homosexual Catholics are sick and tired of being treated as criminals and outcasts by closed-minded filth like you, and is beginning, with enormous courage, and in the teeth of bitter opposition from bigoted Pharisees like you, to extend the love of Christ to EVERYONE irrespective of their sexuality.
And that sticks in the throat of dirty minded, literally anus-obsessed hypocrites and bigots like you. Well, tough: time you grew up and got comfortable with the fact that all - heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual - are one in Christ Jesus. So said Paul, and he was, according to you, the greatest teacher of the Christian faith. ALL are ONE - no exceptions, qualifications or provisos.
Deal with it.
"Francis signalled the Church's openness to blessings for gay couples as long as they did not misrepresent the Catholic view of marriage as between one man and one woman - in 2023"
DeleteIn 2024 Pope Francis has clearly stated that homosexual unions can never be blessed. Each individual is blessed in the hope that they will leave their sinful lives. Just as a corrupt, exploiting businessman is blessed in the hope that he will leave his sinful life. End of story.
You have no answer for Pope Francis' comments. Stop lying in your teeth Detterling.
And we are all still waiting for you to identify a Catholic priest who has said that homosexual acts are not sinful.
ReplyDeleteYou can't can you?
Not one of them have said this you lying so-and-so. If they had you would be able to quote them. The moment any of those priests would declare that homosexual acts are not sinful they would be immediately dismissed from the Catholic priesthood.
DeleteFr James Martin has several times been challenged to declare homosexual acts as not sinful. Each time he has bottled out.
You are a bare-face liar Detterling.
These men are all self-acknowledged active homosexuals. Their lives proclaim their morality - as St Francis of Assissi said, our lives preach the gospel, but we use words only when we need to. Grow up, Gene.
DeleteAnd as for this:
"Fr James Martin has several times been challenged to declare homosexual acts as not sinful. Each time he has bottled out."
Give us chapter and verse for this, if you please.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Thought so. You can't provide any quotes. None of these priests have declared that homosexual acts are not sinful. And they never will. If they do they are immediately out of the Catholic priesthood.
ReplyDeleteStuffed again Detterling! Ha! Ha! Ha!
No, Gene, as ever, too lazy, to superficial, too afraid to face the fact that you are nonsensically and totally wrong.
DeleteThese men - Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale, Father Mychal Judge - all openly proclaim their sexuality, and in doing so testify to their belief that neither their sexuality nor their way of expressing it is sinful. Actions speak louder than words, and no matter how often you stick your fingers in your ears and try to drown out the truth, you know, at some level too deep for your pitifully inadequate powers of introspection, that you are WRONG.
And as usual when you make something up and are challenged to provide evidence for your lies -
- Fr James Martin has several times been challenged to declare homosexual acts as not sinful. Each time he has bottled out -
you utterly fail to do so.
Nor can you get away with the preposterously nonsensical argument you produced in your Jesus/homosexuality humiliation - that if someone fails to proclaim something they have thereby denounced it, or if they have failed to denounce something they must therefore support it. It was bollocks when you tried to defend your ridiculous Jesus/homosexuality position and it still is.
Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale and Father Mychal Judge all live openly as homosexuals, thereby proclaiming that neither their homosexuality nor the physical means by which they may choose to express are sinful.
Prove otherwise. You can't, fuckwit.
""These men are all self-acknowledged active homosexuals." ????
ReplyDeleteAND YOU KNOW THIS?
If they are active homosexuals they have no place in the priesthood.
Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and grave sin - the teaching of the holy, catholic and Apostolic Church.
""These men are all self-acknowledged active homosexuals." ???? AND YOU KNOW THIS?
DeleteYes. Unlike you, when I am challenged to defend a position I do some research, rather than just make something up and hope to get away with it.
Either do your homework or shut the fuck up.
""These men are all self-acknowledged active homosexuals." ???? AND YOU KNOW THIS?
DeleteYes.
You don't know anything of the sort you lying so-and-so.
I suggest you say that in public under your own name.
And wait for the libel writs to arrive.
And you could sign your name to the foul filth you wrote about buggering my wife - odd, isn't it, how your supposedly heterosexual fantasies tend to hinge on buggery.
Delete"Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and grave sin" - the catechism of the Catholic Church as promulgated by Karol Wojtyla who, when Archbishop of Krakow, concealed and therefore abetted paedophilia among his priesthood.
ReplyDeleteI take no lectures on sexual morality from a man capable of that level of betrayal of his pastoral mission, so stop bleating about that as if it proved anything.
"Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale and Father Mychal Judge all live openly as homosexuals,"
ReplyDeleteWhat does that mean? Are you saying that they take part in homosexual acts?
None of these priests have declared that homosexual acts are not sinful. You know that. You would be able to quote such declarations if the had been made.
Stuffed again Detterling! It has not been a good past few days for you. Ha! Ha! Ha!
""These men are all self-acknowledged active homosexuals." ???? AND YOU KNOW THIS?
ReplyDeleteYes. Unlike you, when I am challenged to defend a position I do some research, rather than just make something up and hope to get away with it. Either do your homework or shut the fuck up.
"None of these priests have declared that homosexual acts are not sinful."
Just do the research, Gene, and prove me. You won't, of course, so you can't.
And you should know by now - as I do that when you get down to this pathetic attempt at crowing
"Stuffed again Detterling! It has not been a good past few days for you. Ha! Ha! Ha!"
everyone knows that the next post to appear will be another of those cringeingly embarrassing "Overheard in Harris and Hoole" where the most unconvincing crowd of sock-puppets in the history of bullshitting queue up to kiss your arse, a process you crown by performing the physically impressive contortion of kissing it yourself.
Just go ahead and prove me wrong, Gene, I have all the time in the world.
Just as I will, when I get a moment, remind everyone of the Calvin Robinson debacle, the Joseph Ratzinger humiliation, the Paedophile Information Exchange car crash, the Jesus and homosexuality shambles and this current nonsense. Not to mention rubbing your lifelong disobedience to the Catholic church in matter of your [non-existent] divorce and your practice of artificial contraception. And your lies about A N Wilson and Arianna Huffington reviewing Granny Barkes pissed her knickers in C and A, the vanity publicaiton that gets vanity publishing a bad name.
Gene "Fetherlite" Vincent, the Russell Brand of theology.
""These men are all self-acknowledged active homosexuals." ???? AND YOU KNOW THIS?
DeleteYes. "
What a bare-faced liar! All those men are priests in the Catholic Church and are required to live celibate lives whether they are homosexual or heterosexual. And any of them engaging in homosexual sex would be an appalling scandal.
You have no evidence that they are living active homosexual lives you lying so-and-so.
And we are still waiting for you to provide quotes where any of these priests declare that homosexual acts are not sinful.
This is one of your worst-ever defeats Detterling. Totally thrashed.
No, Gene, simply gainsaying those facts does not alter them.
DeleteYou are simply refusing to see what is in front of your nose, and you are refusing to check the facts because you know will be proved wrong. Gene Vincent, the Wankers' Wanker.
"You are simply refusing to see what is in front of your nose"
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly what you are doing Detterling. Pope Francis has clearly and unequivocally said that gay unions cannot be blessed. You refuse to see this.
"Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale, Father Mychal Judge."
You have made a dreadful allegation against these men. Each of these priests on ordination made a promise to live a celibate life. You are accusing them of not only breaking their promise to God but breaking it in the most vile manner by engaging in the evil of homosexual sex.
No, Gene, as ever, too lazy, to superficial, too afraid to face the fact that you are nonsensically and totally wrong.
ReplyDeleteThese men - Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale, Father Mychal Judge - all openly proclaim their sexuality, and in doing so testify to their belief that neither their sexuality nor their way of expressing it is sinful. Actions speak louder than words, and no matter how often you stick your fingers in your ears and try to drown out the truth, you know, at some level too deep for your pitifully inadequate powers of introspection, that you are WRONG.
And as usual when you make something up and are challenged to provide evidence for your lies -
- Fr James Martin has several times been challenged to declare homosexual acts as not sinful. Each time he has bottled out -
you utterly fail to do so.
Nor can you get away with the preposterously nonsensical argument you produced in your Jesus/homosexuality humiliation - that if someone fails to proclaim something they have thereby denounced it, or if they have failed to denounce something they must therefore support it. It was bollocks when you tried to defend your ridiculous Jesus/homosexuality position and it still is.
Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale and Father Mychal Judge all live openly as homosexuals, thereby proclaiming that neither their homosexuality nor the physical means by which they may choose to express are sinful. Prove otherwise. You can't, fuckwit.
If the Holy Father wishes to make things clear then he needs to have a word with the Vatican press office, who made this clear and unequivocal statement:
""Francis signalled the Church's openness to blessings for gay couples as long as they did not misrepresent the Catholic view of marriage as between one man and one woman. Source - The Vatican."
The Vatican also said
""A Catholic priest can bless a gay or other unmarried couple as long as it is not a formal liturgical blessing and does not give the impression that the Catholic Church is blessing the union as if it were a marriage."
This statement - that the Catholic Church is not blessing the union as if it were a marriage - makes it clear that the union IS blessed - as and of itself as a same sex union, not as an imitation of some other kind of relationship.
If the Holy Father wishes clarify the matter perhaps he should get his Vatican officials to re-word their statement.
The problem is, Gene, that the Holy Father is, at last and thank God, coming to terms with the fact that homosexual Catholics are sick and tired of being treated as criminals and outcasts by closed-minded filth like you, and is beginning, with enormous courage, and in the teeth of bitter opposition from bigoted Pharisees like you, to extend the love of Christ to EVERYONE irrespective of their sexuality.
And that sticks in the throat of dirty minded, literally anus-obsessed hypocrites and bigots like you. Well, tough: time you grew up and got comfortable with the fact that all - heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual - are one in Christ Jesus. So said Paul, and he was, according to you, the greatest teacher of the Christian faith. ALL are ONE - no exceptions, qualifications or provisos.
Deal with it.
Well, tough: time you grew up and got comfortable with the fact that all - heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual - are one in Christ Jesus.
ReplyDeleteYes, exactly. Am I saying anything different? I totally agree.
I am just reiterating that the teaching of the Church is that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and grave sin. That is why Pope Francis has said that homosexual unions cannot be blessed. But Francis says individuals, whether living in the sin of active homosexual acts, or living in the sin of unmarried heterosexual acts can be blessed. Individuals yes, unions no.
THE BLESSINGS WILL HOPEFULLY GIVE THESE INDIVIDUALS THE GRACE AND COURAGE TO LEAVE THEIR SINFUL LIVES.
"Well, tough: time you grew up and got comfortable with the fact that all - heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual - are one in Christ Jesus. Yes, exactly. Am I saying anything different? I totally agree."
ReplyDeleteYou lying bastard - at every opportunity you damn homosexuals as being cut off from God, using the bogus distinction between sin and sinner to try to let yourself off for your hypocrisy and self-righteousness.
"I am just reiterating that the teaching of the Church is that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and grave sin."
And you are free to reiterate that and practise that teaching should you wish to - so long as you grant me my freedom to say that such teaching is, in terms of the gospels of Jesus Christ, totally inauthentic and without foundation.
"That is why Pope Francis has said that homosexual unions cannot be blessed. But Francis says individuals, whether living in the sin of active homosexual acts, or living in the sin of unmarried heterosexual acts can be blessed. Individuals yes, unions no."
I have a great regard for Sr Bergoglio, which is why I wish he wouldn't come out with this ridiculous hair splitting piffle in order to appease bigots like you, which he obviously feels he needs to.
The notion that two people in a relationship can receive a blessing that distinguishes between them as individuals and the relationship they are in is an insult to common sense - like most of your views, come to think of it.
"THE BLESSINGS WILL HOPEFULLY GIVE THESE INDIVIDUALS THE GRACE AND COURAGE TO LEAVE THEIR SINFUL LIVES."
You condescending, self-righteous, patronising, sanctimonious ponce - who DO you think you are to judge other people, you arrogant sod? You should take a leaf from the Holy Father's book - "who am I to judge" - a question you have never asked yourself, you nasty little creep.
And well done for giving in over the matter of Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale and Father Mychal Judge.
You have obviously, and belatedly, realised that the only outcome of pissing into the wind is that you end up covered in piss. Which, given that piss is what you talk, seems appropriate.
Gene "Fetherlite" Vincent, the Jeffrey Archer of Theology.
"And well done for giving in over the matter of Father Gregory Greiten, Father Bob Bussen, Father Steve Wolf, Father James Martin, Father Michael Shanahan, Father Bryan Massingale and Father Mychal Judge."
ReplyDeleteYou lying so-and-so. It is you who have thrown in the towel. Despite your bombast you can't produce a single statement from any of these priests saying homosexual acts are not sinful.
Plus you have villianously traduced them by saying they are engaged in sinful acts of homosexuality.
Bollocks.
ReplyDeleteThese are openly homosexual men living an openly homosexual life; their actions speak louder than words.
And I have accused them of nothing. Homosexuality is not a crime, nor is it a sin, except to bigoted bell-ends like you. If anything I applaud their honesty and courage, especially compared to a two faced, cowardly and lying weasel like you.
"And I have accused them of nothing."
ReplyDeleteYou certainly have. You have accused them of breaking their vows before God.
"Homosexuality is not a crime, nor is it a sin,"
It is not a crime but it is certainly a grave sin.
From The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an
exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great
variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. It psychological genesis remains
largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts
of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10),
tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” (Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith, Persona humana, 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They
close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual
complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not
negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They
must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination
in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and,
if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may
encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them their inner freedom, the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
"You certainly have. You have accused them of breaking their vows before God."
DeleteBollocks: I have done no such thing. I have merely pointed out two facts:
FACT 1. these men are ordained Catholic priests whose holy orders to mediate the love of Christ to their fellow Christians are in no way mitigated by their
FACT 2. open homosexuality.
Copying out chunks of the Catholic Catechism - which applies only to those who profess Catholicism, is an irrelevance.
And in any case, who in their right senses takes lectures about sexual morality [or, come to that, on morality of any kind] from an organisations whose leaders have, in the last 100 years, endorsed Italian Fascism and German National Socialism, as well as concealing and hence abetting the buggery of small boys, the rape of small girls, and the vicious cruelty of monks and nuns towards orphaned boys and pregnat young girls.
Whatever vows they have made before God they are nothing do with me, and whatever accommodations they have made to reconcile their homosexual lifestyle with their priestly vows are nobody's business but theirs. They are certainly not yours either?
The Catholic Church to which my wife belongs, and into which my son is baptised and confirmed, is a fine and noble institution at grass roots level that proclaims the love of Christ in action; but, like a mackerel, it has, often and deplorably, rotted from the head downward.
Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10), tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”
ReplyDeleteGOT THAT DETTERLING?
Oh, piss off, you silly little man. Am I supposed to be convinced by your bleating about tradition? Tradition once preached this disgusting demeaning of women:
Delete"a woman undergoing menstruation is perceived as unclean for seven days and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening (see Leviticus 15:19). Moreover, “if a man actually lies with her so that her menstrual impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days, and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean” (Leviticus 15:24). In other words, if a man has sexual relations with a menstruating woman, he is not perceived as unclean only until evening, but for seven days. When seven days pass from the beginning of menstruation, the woman is regarded as clean and thus, sexual contact is permitted. In another biblical passage it is stated that if a man has sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual period, both of them must be cut off from the community, for they have both been exposed the source of her blood flow (see Leviticus 20:18). The same biblical attitude to sexual relations during menstruation is also described in the following biblical passages: “You must not approach a woman in her menstrual impurity to have sexual intercourse with her” (Leviticus 18:19); “Say to the Israelites: A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period” (Leviticus 12:2); “But if a man is righteous and practices justice and righteousness, and does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, or defile his neighbor’s wife or approach a woman during her menstrual period,…he is righteous and will surely live, declares the Lord God” (Ezekiel 18:5.6.9)"
Grow up, you preposterously stupid prick.
1 Timothy 1:9 - 10
ReplyDelete9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
The Epistles of Paul ARE NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, YOU SILLY SOD.
ReplyDeleteWho said they were?
DeleteThey are however amongst the most profound writings in Sacred Scripture.