DETTERLING...
It is not with schadenfreude, satisfaction or gloating that I write. It is with genuine sadness. Detterling has lost it. I mean by that his intellectual capabilities are fading fast. Anyone reading his recent posts on the subject of heresy in the Church of England is left in no doubt about this.
At the outset he adopted the absurd position that there is no such thing as heresy possible in the C of E! Bizarrely he posted that heresy had been abolished in England in 1612. (He got the date wrong by the way.) What he was referring to was the crime of heresy which had existed in England in those dark post-Reformation days.
The only way that heresy could not exist in the C of E is if no doctrine existed. And, of course doctrine exists.
Detterling then changed tact and posted that heresy is not mentioned in Canon Law. Of course it's not mentioned in Canon Law which is about rubric, administration etc.
Despite multiple examples put to him in respect of heresy in the C of E he tried to maintain his position that black was white. Very sad. I think the C of E also have some blame that its faithful are so woefully instructed in these matters of moral and spiritual guidance. I often think that the C of E faithful would be better off being guided in these matters by Gary Glitter than by the majority of C of E bishops and priests.
Mind you the Catholic Church can be slipshod in these matters but generally speaking its faithful is better served. For example, I was quite impressed that the Vatican stamped down so quickly on the heretical move by the German bishops to have gay marriages blessed. I suppose one could paraphrase Gene's war cry:
Gay marriage
It shall never be
Not in Merrie Vatican
Land of the free
Maybe (and it's a big maybe) if I simplify things as succinctly as possible in respect of doctrine in the two areas of abortion and homosexual acts it might help, if not Detterling, those befuddled in the C of E. Herewith:
Abortion
The Anglican Communion teaches:
Abortion is never permitted except when the life of the mother is in danger.
The Catholic Church teaches:
Abortion is never permitted. When the life of the mother is in danger the Aquinas Principle of Double Effect can be applied.
Homosexual acts
The Anglican Communion teaches:
Homosexual acts are incompatible with the Scriptures and must never be engaged in.
The Catholic Church teaches:
Homosexual acts are always intrinsically morally evil and can never be accepted.
I shall be posting again about Detterling's rapidly declining intellectual faculties and how his continued posting on here would be an embarrassment to him and his friends and family - but more importantly an embarrassment to this blog.
GENE
Pathetic. All you can come up with is this threadbare ad hominem about “declining mental faculties”, because once completely outgunned in argument you have nothing else to say. You poor fool.
ReplyDelete"I often think that the C of E faithful would be better off being guided in these matters by Gary Glitter than by the majority of C of E bishops and priests."
ReplyDeleteHa! Ha! Ha! We love it Gene.
Mr & Mrs Anonymous
Torquay
Oh Christ. The sock puppets are only ever dragged out when Gene knows he has lost the argument. Poor sad sod.
Delete"Abortion
ReplyDeleteThe Anglican Communion teaches:
Abortion is never permitted except when the life of the mother is in danger.
The Catholic Church teaches:
Abortion is never permitted. When the life of the mother is in danger the Aquinas Principle of Double Effect can be applied.
Homosexual acts
The Anglican Communion teaches:
Homosexual acts are incompatible with the Scriptures and must never be engaged in.
The Catholic Church teaches:
Homosexual acts are always intrinsically morally evil and can never be accepted."
Anything in word, writing or action which contravenes the above is heresy. Detterling even back in the days when you had your marbles you would never have been able to refute this.
GENE
"Detterling then changed tact and posted that heresy is not mentioned in Canon Law. Of course it's not mentioned in Canon Law which is about rubric, administration".
ReplyDeleteBOLLOCKS. See Principles 48 - 53 of the Principles of Canon Law, which is concerned with doctrine. No mention of heresy there for those who will not in conscience swallow doctrine whole.
The fact is, Gene, that you are free to call me a heretic, just as i am free to ignore your hysterical vapourings, but in the Church of England, the notion of an offence of heresy is a dead letter, belonging to the era of burnings at the stake and the drowning of witches, as does your primitive thinking involving such nonsense as hellfire and the bottomless pit.
The only heresy involved in this particular idiocy of yours is the difference between the Anglican and Catholic churches in terms of scriptural authority. Anglicans hold to the principle of prima scriptura whereby scriptural authority is accepted as the principal source of doctrine but that this can be conditioned by tradition, experience and reason - a belief condemned by the Catholic Church as heretical.
So no matter how often you say it, Gene, I do not accept that my views on sexuality are heretical, not least because they are endorsed by a substantial portion of the Anglican church exercising its privilege, under the principle of prima scriptura, to apply experience and reason to the matter.
As for refuting your [highly selective] quotation of Anglican doctrine above, I can refute it with ease.
"The bishops of the Anglican Communion in 1998 upheld the traditional Christian teaching that marriage is between a man and a woman and that those who are not called to marriage so defined should remain celibate. A resolution was passed stating that "homosexual acts" are "incompatible with Scripture" by a vote of 526–70; however, it also contained a statement which "calls on all our people to minister pastorally and sensitively to all irrespective of sexual orientation and to condemn irrational fear of homosexuals, violence within marriage and any trivialisation and commercialisation of sex," and noted importantly: "We commit ourselves to listen to the experience of homosexual persons and we wish to assure them that they are loved by God and that all baptised, believing and faithful persons, regardless of sexual orientation, are full members of the Body of Christ." The Lambeth Conference is "not an executive which imposes doctrine or discipline but it is a forum where the mind of the Communion can be expressed on matters of controversy".[30] Over 100 bishops, including some who voted in favour of the resolution condemning homosexual acts, immediately repudiated it and signed a letter of apology to gay and lesbian Anglicans. However over 80% of the bishops did not do so."
[source - Wikipedia].
It is evident from this that the House of Bishops, even twenty five years ago, could not promulgate an unified doctrine on homosexuality. Even the wording of the condemnation - separating homosexual sexual intercourse from the sexuality itself, shows ambiguity. The 2023 resolution to allow same sex couples a church blessing without reservation as to their celibacy further shows that Anglican doctrine on homosexuality is evolving.
Your persistent linking of sexuality with abortion is another of your grubby little tactics - I have said repeatedly that I have no views on abortion for the simple reason that I do not need to.
The 2023 resolution to allow same sex couples a church blessing without reservation as to their celibacy further shows that Anglican doctrine on homosexuality is evolving, and in my view evolving in the right direction. In such a fluid and dynamic situation only an idiot would attempt to define the nature of heresy, which is no doubt why you do.
ReplyDeleteBy all means go on banging your head on the wall, Gene, it's a free country.
But in any sensible view of the situation, I am not a heretic, for the simple reason that the God in which I believe allows me to use my intelligence to inform my faith. And no amount of finger pointing or cheap casuistry on your part can change that, so put that in your pipe and smoke it, Gene.
And while you are eating your humble pie, garnish it with this reflection, the sheer, spiteful nastiness of this grubby little snipe:
ReplyDelete"Detterling even back in the days when you had your marbles...."
As it happens, for a man in his eightieth year, my marbles remain sufficiently intact to sustain a four month workload of examining from GCSE to GCE to International Baccalaureate Higher Diploma [which involves assessing 4000 word long academic papers at first year undergraduate level.
But, if they were not, then you would be guilty of the appalling nastiness of sneering at the mentally handicapped - the kind of low-minded spite I have grown only too accustomed to in the eighteen years I have known and despised you. Fuck off, filth.