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Thursday, 23 April 2026
ASSISTED SUICIDE IT SHALL NEVER BE
NOT IN MERRIE ENGLAND
LAND OF THE FREE
Hurrah! Devastating defeat for Detterling and his ilk who wished to impose this Nazi-like abomination on England's green and pleasant land.
The bill has been talked out. Its opponents have shut debate down by proposing more than a thousand amendments, knowing that there could be no parliamentary time to debate these. With no parliamentary time available in the Lords, and hence no possibility of returning the amendments for debate to the Commons, opponents of the Assisted Dying bill have prevented its even being properly debated.
No debate = no vote = no victory or defeat.
Talk of "imposing a Nazi like abomination" is as stupid as it is ignorant. The core of any assisted dying legislation is an informed choice by the terminally ill person involved. Equating such informed choice with the murder of physically disabled and mentally handicapped but physically healthy individuals - as was practised in Nazi Germany - is an insult to the intelligence, even to an intelligence as meagre as that of Gene "Groper" Vincent.
And Gene "Groper" Vincent should not imagine, in posting this crap, that references to his self-confessed sexual perversion - groping, a form of sexual assault - is somehow going to disappear from his blog.
On the contrary - unless Gene "Groper" Vincent changes his tune, he is going to get the shock of his life. The Oldie, and A N Wilson, will be only a start...
The bill has not been voted on, it has been talked out by opponents of the bill who knew that honest debate and a free vote would lead to its being passed. A notable victory for the Gene “Groper” Vincent style of bigotry. Anyone who calls this bill a “Nazi-like abomination” is a cretin.
Why not have a celebratory grope of your own drooping arse, Groper? That’s if you can find it.
Hi Mary. Myself, you and Gene will meet up this morning, after Mass in the church, at Harris & Hoole to celebrate this great victory. Chocolate eclairs are on me!
And we will have a great laugh at Detterling and his absurd claim that this is not a defeat for the bill! As you have put it this aging tosser really takes the biscuit.
Gene “Groper” Vincent, no matter how many of your dismal retinue of sock puppets you call on, the fact remains that the Assisted Dying bill was not put to the vote. As it was not put to the vote it was not possible for it either to be passed or defeated.
What you are crowing about are the grubby tactics of the bill’s opponents in ensuring that the bill ran out of parliamentary time so that it could not be voted on - a vote they were fairly sure they would lose.
And they would have lost it because, like you, they have no substantive arguments other than overwrought nonsense based on fatuous comparisons with Nazi Germany.
One certain result of these shabby manoeuvres by this unelected shower of undemocratic bigots will be a spike in the suicide rate among the terminally and incurably ill. And no doubt you will take pride in that accomplishment, Groper.
The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [1]:
This is because it will fall out of the Lords' legislative programme when the Parliamentary session ends next week. As it is a Private Member's bill, it must be voted on in the same Parliamentary session as it was introduced.
These are the facts which you will of course ignore, Groper, as you ignore everything that doesn't fit in with your bigoted world view.
"In Britain, 7 Unelected Lords Are Helping to Block an Assisted Dying Bill. A small group in the House of Lords has proposed hundreds of amendments that are helping stymie a bill that was meant to legalize medically assisted death for the terminally ill. [The New York Times, April 24th].
"The assisted dying Bill will fall on Friday, having run out of time to complete its passage through this session of Parliament. Peers opposed to the assisted dying Bill are 'condemning generations of terminally ill patients to die in agony', Dame Esther Rantzen said ahead of the fall of proposed legislation this week. The broadcaster and Childline founder, who is terminally ill and has been a leading voice in the campaign to legalise assisted dying, said she is “bitterly disappointed” that some of those sitting in the House of Lords “have conspired to sabotage our democracy”. [The Express and Star, 24th April, 2026]
"A letter to MPs, which was signed by almost 200 peers, said the Bill 'will fall as a result of deliberate delaying tactics pursued by a minority of peers opposed to its passage'. Of the amendments listed, more than 800 have been tabled or sponsored by seven peers. The letter stated: 'We regret that this failure will disappoint the overwhelming majority of people in this country who support a change to the law and were looking to Parliament to enact it.' The peers' letter noted no vote on the Bill had taken place in the Lords, and warned the 'vital issue, which has wide public support, will not go away until it is resolved'. [The Daily Mail, April 24th 2026].
The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [2]:
"As Sky News has previously reported, supporters are planning to enlist some 200 MPs to attempt to bring the bill back into contention this summer. The next private members' bill ballot is due to be held on 21 May. Supporters think they have 200 MPs who would be willing to reintroduce the bill if one of them is successful in the ballot. They then plan to try and get it through the Commons quickly on the grounds that MPs have already scrutinised it.
"This is not over," Ms Leadbeater said. "The issue is not going to go away just because of an undemocratic filibuster in the Lords. We will keep pushing for a safer, more compassionate law until parliament reaches a final decision."
If it passes the Commons, the bill would then head back to the Lords. If it once again fails to pass the upper chamber in time, supporters will use the Parliament Act to get it through, regardless of whether peers back it. The Parliament Act says that the same bill, twice passed by MPs but rejected by peers in two consecutive sessions, becomes law anyway. It's rarely used, only twice this century. Never before has it been used for a private members' bill - although officials have confirmed it could, in theory. But it would mean that no further changes could be made to the bill." [Sky News, April 24th 2026]
Facts: where are yours, Groper? what was the result of the vote in the Lords'? Oh, wait, there wasn't one, was there?
So not a defeat, but a setback.
A setback brought about by seven unelected bigots abusing parliamentary procedure to shut down legislation they don't care for - the fact that they are approved of by a self-confessed groper like Gene tells you what kind of people they are.
And a setback, but not a defeat.
The The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill will probably become law by the end of the Parliamentary session in April 2027.
Just as with the law enacting adoption by gay couples and the law enacting same sex-marriage, Gene "Groper" Vincent once more proves to be the kiss of death to any cause he promotes, the St Jude [who was the patron saint both of lost causes and sexual gropers] of Hillingdon.
The usual fact-free pig-ignorant bollocks from Gene "Groper" Vincent. Groping all those defenceless young women must have addled his brain. As follows:
"The assisted dying bill UK referred to proposed legislation that would have allowed terminally ill adults to legally end their lives under strict conditions. The 2026 bill focused specifically on individuals with a life expectancy of six months or less, provided that
[1] they had full mental capacity
[2] made a voluntary, informed decision.
At its core, the bill aimed to address three key issues:
Personal autonomy at the end of life Relief from prolonged suffering Legal clarity for patients and medical professionals"
Source, The London Business Mag, April 24th 2026.
For what feels like the two thousandth time, Gene "Groper" Vincent:
A LIE DOES NOT BECOME A FACT IF YOU TELL IT OFTEN ENOUGH.
It is a sad, yet oddly satisfying process to watch your progressive, drink-fuelled descent into dementia, Groper.
Twenty years ago you were a fairly intelligent man who had simply take the decision to think and behave stupidly and to talk piss.
Years of alcoholic excess have robbed you of that choice, Groper, and your psychosis is now as substantive as your alcoholism.
The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [1]:
This is because it will fall out of the Lords' legislative programme when the Parliamentary session ends next week. As it is a Private Member's bill, it must be voted on in the same Parliamentary session as it was introduced.
These are the facts which you will of course ignore, Groper, as you ignore everything that doesn't fit in with your bigoted world view.
"In Britain, 7 Unelected Lords Are Helping to Block an Assisted Dying Bill. A small group in the House of Lords has proposed hundreds of amendments that are helping stymie a bill that was meant to legalize medically assisted death for the terminally ill. [The New York Times, April 24th].
"The assisted dying Bill will fall on Friday, having run out of time to complete its passage through this session of Parliament. Peers opposed to the assisted dying Bill are 'condemning generations of terminally ill patients to die in agony', Dame Esther Rantzen said ahead of the fall of proposed legislation this week. The broadcaster and Childline founder, who is terminally ill and has been a leading voice in the campaign to legalise assisted dying, said she is “bitterly disappointed” that some of those sitting in the House of Lords “have conspired to sabotage our democracy”. [The Express and Star, 24th April, 2026]
"A letter to MPs, which was signed by almost 200 peers, said the Bill 'will fall as a result of deliberate delaying tactics pursued by a minority of peers opposed to its passage'. Of the amendments listed, more than 800 have been tabled or sponsored by seven peers. The letter stated: 'We regret that this failure will disappoint the overwhelming majority of people in this country who support a change to the law and were looking to Parliament to enact it.' The peers' letter noted no vote on the Bill had taken place in the Lords, and warned the 'vital issue, which has wide public support, will not go away until it is resolved'. [The Daily Mail, April 24th 2026].
The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [2]:
"As Sky News has previously reported, supporters are planning to enlist some 200 MPs to attempt to bring the bill back into contention this summer. The next private members' bill ballot is due to be held on 21 May. Supporters think they have 200 MPs who would be willing to reintroduce the bill if one of them is successful in the ballot. They then plan to try and get it through the Commons quickly on the grounds that MPs have already scrutinised it.
"This is not over," Ms Leadbeater said. "The issue is not going to go away just because of an undemocratic filibuster in the Lords. We will keep pushing for a safer, more compassionate law until parliament reaches a final decision."
If it passes the Commons, the bill would then head back to the Lords. If it once again fails to pass the upper chamber in time, supporters will use the Parliament Act to get it through, regardless of whether peers back it. The Parliament Act says that the same bill, twice passed by MPs but rejected by peers in two consecutive sessions, becomes law anyway. It's rarely used, only twice this century. Never before has it been used for a private members' bill - although officials have confirmed it could, in theory. But it would mean that no further changes could be made to the bill." [Sky News, April 24th 2026]
Facts: where are yours, Groper? what was the result of the vote in the Lords'? Oh, wait, there wasn't one, was there?
So not a defeat, but a setback.
A setback brought about by seven unelected bigots abusing parliamentary procedure to shut down legislation they don't care for - the fact that they are approved of by a self-confessed groper like Gene tells you what kind of people they are.
And a setback, but not a defeat.
The The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill will probably become law by the end of the Parliamentary session in April 2027.
Just as with the law enacting adoption by gay couples and the law enacting same sex-marriage, Gene "Groper" Vincent once more proves to be the kiss of death to any cause he promotes, the St Jude [who was the patron saint both of lost causes and sexual gropers] of Hillingdon.
More of Gene “Groper” Vincent’s finely honed and lucidly argued political discourse. When faced with facts he can’t refute or arguments he can’t counter we get anonymous abuse from a nasty little creep cowering behind a pseudonym. God preserve you, Groper Gene, from the curse of introspection - if ever you realise just what a pathetic creature you are it might destroy you.
This is a historic day! Great rejoicing from so many in England's green and pleasant land. I feel so good. I know it's not right to gloat. But how can I not? I read this bollocks from bad loser Detterling and I gloat. Yes, I gloat.
Robert Kennedy: To me, I think those laws are abhorrent. And we just see in Canada today, I think the number one cause of death is assisted suicide, and as you say, it targets people with disabilities and people who are struggling in their lives. And I don’t think we can be a moral society, we can’t be a moral society around the globe if that becomes institutionalized throughout our society. So, I am happy to work with you in whatever way we can.
Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote:
"I read this bollocks from bad loser Detterling and I gloat."
You are wrong, Groper.
You have almost certainly not read any of it, and if you have read any of it you certainly have not understood it, because bollocks it certainly is not, not to mention that alcohol and narcissism have reduced your once adequate intelligence to that of a fuckwit.
Nor is Detterling a bad loser; the cause of the Assisted Dying bill is one he supports purely because it will enhance the control of terminally and incurably ill people over how they die. As with the other causes that obsess you, Groper - abortion, anal sexual intercourse, whether homosexual or heterosexual - Detterling neither supports nor opposes the principle of assisted dying. But he ls a man who supports freedom of choice and insists that it be enjoyed by everyone. including those with whose choices he would disagree. It's a principle - in short live and let live - with which you disagree, Groper.
Let all that alone, you are wrong, Groper.
--- the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) bill was passed in the Commons, but has not been defeated in the Lords - FACT
--- this is because it has never been put to a vote - FACT
--- this is because a group of peers [a] violently opposed to assisted dying and [b] terrified that if the bill would pass in the Lords were it to be voted on have submitted 1000 amendments to the bill - FACT
--- their doing so was a deliberate tactic to shut down the bill by ensuring that it ran out of parliamentary time - FACT
--- and they did this because - like you, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote - they are not democrats, and are unable to stomach the idea of being gainsaid - FACT
--- the irony is, of course, that you, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote, condemn those who support the Assisted Dying legislation by smearing them as Nazis, whilst at the same time behaving like Nazis themselves - unable to argue their case, shouting down opposition and in the end preventing any discussion, because the end justifies the means, the ultimate Nazi philosophy - FACT
Gloat away, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote, and make the most of it. Your elation will be short lived. Ms Leadbeater's bill will start its second passage through the Commons in the next Parliamentary session and, when it arrives again in the Lords, the Parliament Act will be used to ensure that the unelected Lords will have to pass it.
Suck on that, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote, and prepare for another humiliation such as you suffered on the adoption of children by homosexual couples and same sex marriage - FACT
Perhaps, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Johnny Bluenote, you could take turns to grope Frances "Fanny" Dango to pass the time.
Exactly, Groper: ignore the facts, stuff your head up your arse and pretend that the world will follow your lead.
It is hard to believe that someone as cretinous and nasty as you, with a narcissistic psychosis as obvious as an udder on a bull, was once trusted to teach children.
Not that someone with your track record of sexual criminality would be allowed within a mile of a school these days.
"Exactly, Groper: ignore the facts, stuff your head up your arse and pretend that the world will follow your lead."
Ha! Ha! Ha! That's exactly what you are doing Detters. The move to impose assisted suicide on this great nation has been blown out of the water. It is not happening. Face facts and live with that you aging tosser.
I give thanks to God. I give thanks to Saint Michael the Archangel our protector. This is a great day. After Mass today the congregation were all jubilant for this great victory.
The Assisted Dying bill will start its second passage through the Commons by the end of next month. When it reaches the Lords the Parliament Act will be used to ensure that it passes into law.
The Parliament Act is a legal instrument which ensures that in the last analysis the elected Commons can override the unelected Lords when it comes to making law. It has been used twice this century to pass legislation in the face of the Lords’ opposition.
In 2000 it brought about the equalisation of the homosexual and heterosexual age of consent - one in the eye for Groper Gene.
In 2004 it was used to outlaw foxhunting - another feature of the mythical “Merrie England” that Groper Gene witters on about whenever his pig-ignorant bigotry is challenged.
And in 2027 it will be used to ensure that the Assisted Dying Act becomes law.
Once again, Groper Gene finds himself pissing into the wind of change. Ignorant, bigoted, nasty, stupid, unable to see round the first corner of history, sliding inexorably into a fog of alcoholic dementia - it would be tragic if it weren’t so funny.
"The Assisted Dying bill will start its second passage through the Commons by the end of next month. When it reaches the Lords the Parliament Act will be used to ensure that it passes into law."
No. That will not happen. Common decency will never allow the Parliament Act to be used in this matter.
You know fuck all about common decency, Groper. Someone who understands common decency does not boast about buggering other men's wives, or grope and sexually touch defenceless young women in deserted school classrooms and empty corridors.
Why "Bravo" - Gene has done fuck all towards halting this legislation in the Lords except publish over-wrought piss about Nazi Germany on this blog - which no-one reads. Hence the dire assembly of sock puppets with which he has had to populate this thread to give the impression that he has supportive friends.
The Church of England firmly opposes the legalization of assisted dying, upholding that all life is sacred and a gift from God. Senior bishops, particularly the Bishop of London, argue that such legislation is dangerous, unworkable, and poses a risk to the most vulnerable, potentially pressuring them to end their lives.
[1] Post a link to confirm that this statement is a statement of an official Church of England policy towards assisted dying, including the date of this policy's passing into Canon law by all three houses of the General Synod.
"The Church of England firmly opposes the legalization of assisted dying, upholding that all life is sacred and a gift from God. Senior bishops, particularly the Bishop of London, argue that such legislation is dangerous, unworkable, and poses a risk to the most vulnerable, potentially pressuring them to end their lives."
You can't, because it isn't. It's obvious journalism.
FAIL, Groper.
[2] Find me a statement that expresses Detterling's unequivocal support by Detterling for the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) bill.
You can't, because he hasn't made such a statement because he has no convictions either way on the question, any more than he has convictions either way on the matter of abortion or anal sexual intercourse, whether this be heterosexual or homosexual.
This is because Detterling's views on all three of those topics are relevant and important only to him, and he has not, does not, and will not seek to impose them on those who do not share his beliefs - unlike you, whose guiding principle is that if you choose not to do something, then no-one else should even be allowed any choice on the matter.
FAIL, Groper.
Is that the best you can do? Pathetic, Groper.
As ever, Groper, you are trying to trick Detterling into a false position by misrepresenting his views.
You can't, because he hasn't made such a statement because he has no convictions either way on the question, any more than he has convictions either way on the matter of abortion or anal sexual intercourse, whether this be heterosexual or homosexual.
WHAT A COP OUT!!! No wonder Gene call you a canting old phony.
"The Church of England firmly opposes the legalization of assisted dying, upholding that all life is sacred and a gift from God. Senior bishops, particularly the Bishop of London, argue that such legislation is dangerous, unworkable, and poses a risk to the most vulnerable, potentially pressuring them to end their lives."
You can't, because it isn't. It's obvious journalism.
My God! You are disputing an official Church of England statement. Of course the C of E opposes assisted suicide. Check out the C of E website from where this statement comes.
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Sarah Mullally, speaking briefly in the debate, emphasised the shared wish of both opponents and proponents of the Bill that those who are terminally ill should be treated with compassion and be able to die in a pain-free and dignified way. She paid tribute to the ‘enormous’ amount of work that had gone into the Committee Stage of the Bill.
She said: “I oppose this Bill in principle, both as a priest and as a nurse.
Remarkable how you suddenly rely on the statement of a female archbishop, Groper, when only a few years ago you mocked the very idea of female bishops , and taunted those supported them so cruelly.
Typical Groper hypocrisy.
And the Archbishop of Canterbury does not speak for the church, or insist that all Anglicans live out their beliefs according to rules that she lays down.
FAIL, Groper.
After all, you ignore your own church’s teaching when it suits you, Groper.
You ignored Pope Paul VI’s Humana Vitae and practised artificial contraception in both your first marriage and your second adulterous “marriage” (sic) while confessing neither as sins and thus accessing Holy Communion unshriven.
Or, more recently, you refused to follow Pope Francis’s lead in not condemning homosexuality and homosexuals and his courageous extending the church’s blessings to same sex couples, even making nonsensical claims to the effect that homosexuality is condemned in the Gospels.
And as for your track record as a serial and chronic sexual groper of young women in empty classrooms and deserted corridors, you are referred to the book of the prophet Kallypygius, chapter 23, verse 69;
“Grope not that ye be not groped: for he that fondleth the nether parts and stroketh the upper, who privily plucketh the knicker elastic and twangeth the bra strap shall be cast into outer darkness where is wanking and spilling of seed.”
FAIL. FAIL, FAIL, Groper?
Is that all you’ve got, Groper? Yah boo sucks and he said she said?
Faith leaders join to oppose Bill to legalise assisted suicide The Bishop of London, the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster and the Chief Rabbi, lead signatories warning that a ‘right to die’ could ‘all too easily’ end in vulnerable people feeling they have a ‘duty to die.’ Bishop of London Leaders of the major faiths have spoken of their deep concern about the impact on vulnerable people should assisted suicide be approved by Parliament, in a letter published ahead of the Second Reading of the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill. Signatories headed by the Bishop of London, Church of England lead bishop for health and social care, who is a former Chief Nursing Officer for England, the Roman Catholic Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster and the Chief Rabbi, warn that a ‘right to die’ could ‘all too easily’ end in vulnerable people feeling they have a ‘duty to die.’ A truly compassionate response to the end of life lies in investment in palliative care, they say in the letter, published in The Observer newspaper, signed by 29 faith leaders.
Official Opposition: The Church's General Synod has voted against the legalisation of assisted suicide twice, in 2012 and 2022. The 2022 motion passed with a large majority, with only 7% of members supporting a change in the law. Active Advocacy: Bishops in the House of Lords have been prominent in opposing the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill. "Duty to Die" Fear: Church leaders, including the Bishop of London and the Archbishop of York, have argued that legalising assisted dying would put immense pressure on elderly, disabled, and vulnerable people to end their lives, fearing they are a burden. Alternative Care: The Church strongly advocates for better funding and access to palliative care services rather than facilitating death.
Key Arguments Used by the Church Sanctity of Life: The belief that human life is a gift from God and that "authority over death belongs to God alone," as stated by the Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell. The "Slippery Slope": Concerns that easing restrictions for terminal illness will lead to wider applications, eventually including the disabled or those with non-terminal conditions, citing international evidence, as noted by the Archbishop of Canterbury. Patient-Doctor Trust: Arguments that changing the law would damage the core trust between doctors and patients. Protection of the Vulnerable: The contention that the current legal framework best protects the most vulnerable members of society. Diocese of London
None of which amounts to an official declaration by the Church of England that all Anglicans must oppose assisted suicide.
The Journal of Anglican Studies surveyed over 3,000 Anglican priests, and below is the abstract of the results.
One in the eye for Groper.
"Attitude towards assisted dying was assessed among 3,230 people who took part in the Church 2024 survey. Asked to respond to the statement ‘I am in favour of allowing assisted dying’, 51% disagreed, 28% agreed and 21% were uncertain, suggesting a sizable minority were either in favour of changing the law or undecided. Those against changing the law tended to agree that it is wrong for someone to take their own life, that only God can give and take life and that the risks of abusing any process are too great. Opinion varied across various groups, with women more in favour than men, the old more in favour than the young, laity more in favour than clergy and Anglo-Catholics or Broad Church more in favour than Evangelicals. Personal and psychological disposition predicted some variations in attitude towards assisted dying, probably because they predisposed individuals to taking more general liberal or conservative stances. The patterns are similar to those seen in several different moral issues debated in the Church of England in the last three decades, suggesting assisted dying might follow a similar trajectory in years to come."
The 51%/49% shows that the majority against assisted dying among Anglican clergy is wafer thin.
Since you conducting this "argument" at a yah boo sucks level [all you are capable of, Groper], up yours, Groper.
Among lay Christians - both Church of England and Roman Catholic, a survey by Dignity in Dying, shows even stronger support for assisted dying, as follows:
"More than three quarters of Church of England Christians, and 2 in 3 Roman Catholics, believe that the UK’s ban on assisted dying should end. Around 7 in 10 (69%) of people who follow a religion in England and Wales have indicated that they would support assisted dying becoming a legal option for terminally ill people in the UK.
A poll of 1,844 people in England and Wales, of which 766 belong to a religion, found that those who would back a change in the law included more than three quarters (78%) of people who described their faith as Church of England, Anglican or Episcopal, and more than two-thirds (68%) of Roman Catholics.
The research, released as part of Dignity in Dying’s new report, showed that there is support for assisted dying among all major religions in the UK, including Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism.
Over half (58%) of religious people in England and Wales said they know a loved one who has suffered at the end of life, with four in 10 (38%) believing their loved one would have considered an assisted death had it been a legal option for them in the UK.
Rabbi Dr Jonathan Romain, Chair of Dignity in Dying, said: “This research shows that, all over the country and in every walk of life, people are crying out for change on assisted dying. That includes an overwhelming majority of people of faith, myself included, who support this change because of our beliefs, not in spite of them.
“Millions of people have watched a loved one suffer at the end of their life. They know that, whatever your beliefs, there is no moral argument for prolonging suffering when a dying person says that’s enough, I want to take control.
Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, said: “It is no surprise to me that large numbers of Christians would support a compassionate assisted dying law in this country. One of the key themes of the Gospels is love for our fellow human beings. Doing whatever we can to relieve needless suffering and bring peace is a profoundly Christian act. It is my greatest hope that, after many years of delay, lawmakers will now finally grasp this issue and craft a new settlement for dying people that provides the compassion and kindness that so many in this country would like to see.”
Public support for assisted dying has been consistently high for many decades. Nearly 8 in 10 people (78%) in England and Wales say they would support the introduction of a law that would enable terminally ill, mentally competent adults this choice.
Dignity in Dying’s report brings together, for the first time, existing evidence plus brand new research and polling on how the UK’s lack of a legal, safeguarded option of assisted dying causes significant harm to dying people and their families every day. It exposes how the current law is:
UNSAFE: Up to 650 dying people end their own lives in the UK every year. These deaths are often violent and lonely. UNFAIR: 17 people a day suffer as they die because palliative care, no matter how good, cannot relieve all suffering all of the time. UNREGULATED: More than 630 dying Brits have travelled to Switzerland for an assisted death. This option is not available to everyone, and the law offers no protection to individuals or loved ones who provide support.
None of the facts in the previous post will change your mind, Groper, such as it is, because you haven't had a new thought in twenty five years, and things like facts and evidence only serve to confuse you.
Nor will it make you think twice [although it should] about insulting fellow Christians who disagree with you on this matter.
But look around the congregation at Mass next Sunday, and reflect that
[a] TWO THIRDS of them think that you are talking piss about assisted dying [Dignity in Dying]
[b] THREE QUARTERS of them [according to PEW Research] think that you are talking piss about same sex marriage,
[c] ABOUT A THIRD of them think that you are or may be talking bollocks about abortion, according to research by https:/catholicsinbritain.le.ac.uk/
The truth is not, of course, determined by majority opinion, but nor is its cause served the kind of juvenile crowing and name calling with which you always prosecute your views.
And it really is time that you learned an essential lesson, Groper, which is that YOUR way of conducting your religious and prayer life is not the only way, and that people who say the same creeds as you do are entitled to disagree with you should they wish to, without being accused of betrayal of the faith, or heresy or blasphemy. If your psychosis tells you that you are God or the Pope, fair enough: but don't make a complete tit of yourself by expecting everyone to treat you as if this were a reality.
I will render account of myself to my Lord in due course and in the meantime, no-one, least of all a drunken, sexually delinquent Cockney ponce, is going to tell me what to believe, think or do.
Detterling why don't you throw in the towel? You have been beaten out of sight by Gene. Anyone who could post this totally fatuous statement "No debate = no vote = no victory or defeat." has been beaten out of sight.
Piss off, Groper: the fact that you keep repeating this juvenile jargon - throwing in the towel, being beaten out of sight - shows that you are incapable of coherent thought.
[a] The Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill was not defeated in the House of Lords, because it was never put to the vote;
[b] it was talked out after a group of ten peers tabled over 800 amendments to the bill, knowing that doing so would ensure that the bill would fall because it ran out of time, thus
[c] avoiding a vote which they were fairly sure that they would lose.
Quite the worst aspect of this political chicanery is its likely end result which is that
[a] the Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill will be reintroduced in the Commons next month and pushed through its first and second readings, its committee stage, report stage and third reading with minimal scrutiny;
[b] it will then return to the Lords and, by the use of the Parliament Act, will similarly be pushed through its first and second readings, its committee stage, report stage and third reading with minimal scrutiny, at which point the Parliament Act will be used to enact the bill into law without the Lords' opinion being put to a vote.
Consider the results of this:
[1] the Groper Gang of peers have talked out a bill which, humane in spirit, was badly flawed legally and procedurally;
[2] because of this, the bill will be re-presented in the Commons and shovelled through its stages there with minimal scrutiny and revision before being passed;
[3] it will then return to the Lords and, similarly, shovelled through its stages there with minimal scrutiny and revision, before the use of the Parliament Act will enforce its passage into law.
So what have the Groper Gang achieved?
They talked out a flawed bill, thus ensuring that the letter of any law passed using it would fail to live up to its humanist spirit.
But by talking it out, rather than acting democratically and allowing a vote to return it to the Commons for furthe revision, they have ensured its return to the Lords.
When this happens, the use of the Parliament Act will limit and/or prevent the revision that bill needs, so that, at some point in the next year, the House of Lords will pass the Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill into law WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ITS FLAWS INTACT.
THAT'S what you are crowing about, you stupid bugger, you cretinous quarter-wit, you dazzlingly stupid oaf, Groper.
Bigoted clowns like you, who cannot, who won't, see round the first corner of history, have taken careful aim and shat all over themselves, and the rest of us, by ensuring the passage into law of a bad bill.
Gene, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire: you can't help being stupid, but I wish you wouldn't glory in it.
"When this happens, the use of the Parliament Act will limit and/or prevent the revision that bill needs, so that, at some point in the next year, the House of Lords will pass the Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill into law... "
This will not happen. Even the supporters of this vile bill would be too ashamed to use the Parliament Act.
Groper, go on lying to yourself if it makes you feel better. Or fuck off: you choose, I really don't mind. You are calculatingly, wilfully, impenetrably stupid. You are presented with factual evidence that your position and your beliefs on this matter - to which of course you are entitled - place you in a minority of about 20% of the population of this country. This means that an assisted dying act will be enacted into law this century - probably not in my lifetime, possibly in yours, but certainly in my children's. Any fool can see that.
You should accept that, just as with abortion, with the adoption of children by homosexual couples, and with same sex marriage, your views, just as they were on those issues, will be ignored and over-ridden by the process of democratic government.
And that is what you can't stand, isn't it, Gene? that your tantrums are ignored, as they deserve to be. But the problem is that the tantrums thrown by the ten peers in the Lords will result in their being responsible for a badly flawed act becoming law - and for their supporters, like you, Groper, being responsible alongside them. THAT'S what you are crowing about, you stupid bugger, you cretinous quarter-wit, you dazzlingly stupid oaf, Groper.
Bigoted clowns like you, who cannot, who won't, see round the first corner of history, have taken careful aim and shat all over themselves, and the rest of us, by ensuring the passage into law of a bad bill. Groper, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire: you can't help being stupid, but I wish you wouldn't glory in it.
I feel sorry for you sometimes, Groper, because one day it will dawn on you that, although no human being is worthless, you are not far short of being pointless.
But then I remember the filth you have published here about my wife, my son, my grand-daughters, and how you have exulted in the pain that that filth has caused. And it strengthens my resolve.
Anyway, please present my apologies to "Marianne" for what is about to happen. She is plainly a good woman, and she doesn't deserve for her patience, tolerance and loyalty to be rewarded by the public humiliation that will result from A N Wilson's forthcoming article about "Granny Barkes fell in Woolworths" featuring your fraudulent use of his name attached to reviews of that dreadful publication.
After he was sent and had received and read "Granny Barkes fell in Woolworths", he rang me and we had an interesting talk on the phone for about an hour this evening, while I took him on a guided tour through "Gene, a voice in the wilderness". He was variously amused, astonished, bewildered and by the end thoroughly infuriated and litigiously resolute, and was very clear about guaranteeing my anonymity in what will happen next.
That's all for now, Groper. I am leaving our home in Chester tomorrow afternoon for a fortnight in retreat at Corrymela. See you in the headlines.
Utter nonsense.
ReplyDeleteThe bill has been talked out. Its opponents have shut debate down by proposing more than a thousand amendments, knowing that there could be no parliamentary time to debate these. With no parliamentary time available in the Lords, and hence no possibility of returning the amendments for debate to the Commons, opponents of the Assisted Dying bill have prevented its even being properly debated.
No debate = no vote = no victory or defeat.
Talk of "imposing a Nazi like abomination" is as stupid as it is ignorant. The core of any assisted dying legislation is an informed choice by the terminally ill person involved. Equating such informed choice with the murder of physically disabled and mentally handicapped but physically healthy individuals - as was practised in Nazi Germany - is an insult to the intelligence, even to an intelligence as meagre as that of Gene "Groper" Vincent.
And Gene "Groper" Vincent should not imagine, in posting this crap, that references to his self-confessed sexual perversion - groping, a form of sexual assault - is somehow going to disappear from his blog.
On the contrary - unless Gene "Groper" Vincent changes his tune, he is going to get the shock of his life. The Oldie, and A N Wilson, will be only a start...
"No debate = no vote = no victory or defeat."
ReplyDeleteHa! Ha! Ha! You take the biscuit Detterling!
This evil bill has been well and truly defeated and you and your pinko liberal ilk are today licking your wounds.
Mary Winterbourne
The bill has not been voted on, it has been talked out by opponents of the bill who knew that honest debate and a free vote would lead to its being passed. A notable victory for the Gene “Groper” Vincent style of bigotry. Anyone who calls this bill a “Nazi-like abomination” is a cretin.
DeleteWhy not have a celebratory grope of your own drooping arse, Groper? That’s if you can find it.
Hi Mary. Myself, you and Gene will meet up this morning, after Mass in the church, at Harris & Hoole to celebrate this great victory.
ReplyDeleteChocolate eclairs are on me!
And we will have a great laugh at Detterling and his absurd claim that this is not a defeat for the bill! As you have put it this aging tosser really takes the biscuit.
Tony of the Big Saloon
Gene “Groper” Vincent, no matter how many of your dismal retinue of sock puppets you call on, the fact remains that the Assisted Dying bill was not put to the vote. As it was not put to the vote it was not possible for it either to be passed or defeated.
ReplyDeleteWhat you are crowing about are the grubby tactics of the bill’s opponents in ensuring that the bill ran out of parliamentary time so that it could not be voted on - a vote they were fairly sure they would lose.
And they would have lost it because, like you, they have no substantive arguments other than overwrought nonsense based on fatuous comparisons with Nazi Germany.
One certain result of these shabby manoeuvres by this unelected shower of undemocratic bigots will be a spike in the suicide rate among the terminally and incurably ill. And no doubt you will take pride in that accomplishment, Groper.
" ...it was not possible for it either to be passed or defeated."
DeleteOh! but wait. It has been defeated. Haven't you heard? This is a sweet victory. A great day.
GENE
Gene "Groper" Vincent, you are wrong.
DeleteThe Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [1]:
This is because it will fall out of the Lords' legislative programme when the Parliamentary session ends next week. As it is a Private Member's bill, it must be voted on in the same Parliamentary session as it was introduced.
These are the facts which you will of course ignore, Groper, as you ignore everything that doesn't fit in with your bigoted world view.
"In Britain, 7 Unelected Lords Are Helping to Block an Assisted Dying Bill. A small group in the House of Lords has proposed hundreds of amendments that are helping stymie a bill that was meant to legalize medically assisted death for the terminally ill. [The New York Times, April 24th].
"The assisted dying Bill will fall on Friday, having run out of time to complete its passage through this session of Parliament. Peers opposed to the assisted dying Bill are 'condemning generations of terminally ill patients to die in agony', Dame Esther Rantzen said ahead of the fall of proposed legislation this week. The broadcaster and Childline founder, who is terminally ill and has been a leading voice in the campaign to legalise assisted dying, said she is “bitterly disappointed” that some of those sitting in the House of Lords “have conspired to sabotage our democracy”. [The Express and Star, 24th April, 2026]
"A letter to MPs, which was signed by almost 200 peers, said the Bill 'will fall as a result of deliberate delaying tactics pursued by a minority of peers opposed to its passage'. Of the amendments listed, more than 800 have been tabled or sponsored by seven peers. The letter stated: 'We regret that this failure will disappoint the overwhelming majority of people in this country who support a change to the law and were looking to Parliament to enact it.' The peers' letter noted no vote on the Bill had taken place in the Lords, and warned the 'vital issue, which has wide public support, will not go away until it is resolved'. [The Daily Mail, April 24th 2026].
Continued below.
Gene "Groper" Vincent, you are wrong.
DeleteThe Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [2]:
"As Sky News has previously reported, supporters are planning to enlist some 200 MPs to attempt to bring the bill back into contention this summer. The next private members' bill ballot is due to be held on 21 May. Supporters think they have 200 MPs who would be willing to reintroduce the bill if one of them is successful in the ballot. They then plan to try and get it through the Commons quickly on the grounds that MPs have already scrutinised it.
"This is not over," Ms Leadbeater said. "The issue is not going to go away just because of an undemocratic filibuster in the Lords. We will keep pushing for a safer, more compassionate law until parliament reaches a final decision."
If it passes the Commons, the bill would then head back to the Lords. If it once again fails to pass the upper chamber in time, supporters will use the Parliament Act to get it through, regardless of whether peers back it. The Parliament Act says that the same bill, twice passed by MPs but rejected by peers in two consecutive sessions, becomes law anyway. It's rarely used, only twice this century. Never before has it been used for a private members' bill - although officials have confirmed it could, in theory. But it would mean that no further changes could be made to the bill." [Sky News, April 24th 2026]
Facts: where are yours, Groper? what was the result of the vote in the Lords'? Oh, wait, there wasn't one, was there?
So not a defeat, but a setback.
A setback brought about by seven unelected bigots abusing parliamentary procedure to shut down legislation they don't care for - the fact that they are approved of by a self-confessed groper like Gene tells you what kind of people they are.
And a setback, but not a defeat.
The The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill will probably become law by the end of the Parliamentary session in April 2027.
Just as with the law enacting adoption by gay couples and the law enacting same sex-marriage, Gene "Groper" Vincent once more proves to be the kiss of death to any cause he promotes, the St Jude [who was the patron saint both of lost causes and sexual gropers] of Hillingdon.
Hi Mary, Gene and Tony. I'm on my way to Harris & Hoole to join you. Today is a special day. It calls for a big celebration.
ReplyDeleteASSISTED SUICIDE IT SHALL NEVER BE
NOT IN MERRIE ENGLAND
LAND OF THE FREE
Hurrah! Devastating defeat for Detterling and his ilk who wished to impose this Nazi-like abomination on England's green and pleasant land.
How we will laugh at Detterling!
Frances 'Fanny' Dango
"The core of any assisted dying legislation is an informed choice by the terminally ill person involved."
ReplyDeleteHa! Ha! Ha! It's the way you tell 'em Detters.
GENE
The usual fact-free pig-ignorant bollocks from Gene "Groper" Vincent. Groping all those defenceless young women must have addled his brain. As follows:
Delete"The assisted dying bill UK referred to proposed legislation that would have allowed terminally ill adults to legally end their lives under strict conditions. The 2026 bill focused specifically on individuals with a life expectancy of six months or less, provided that
[1] they had full mental capacity
[2] made a voluntary, informed decision.
At its core, the bill aimed to address three key issues:
Personal autonomy at the end of life
Relief from prolonged suffering
Legal clarity for patients and medical professionals"
Source, The London Business Mag, April 24th 2026.
For what feels like the two thousandth time, Gene "Groper" Vincent:
A LIE DOES NOT BECOME A FACT IF YOU TELL IT OFTEN ENOUGH.
It is a sad, yet oddly satisfying process to watch your progressive, drink-fuelled descent into dementia, Groper.
Twenty years ago you were a fairly intelligent man who had simply take the decision to think and behave stupidly and to talk piss.
Years of alcoholic excess have robbed you of that choice, Groper, and your psychosis is now as substantive as your alcoholism.
Gene "Groper" Vincent, you are wrong.
ReplyDeleteThe Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [1]:
This is because it will fall out of the Lords' legislative programme when the Parliamentary session ends next week. As it is a Private Member's bill, it must be voted on in the same Parliamentary session as it was introduced.
These are the facts which you will of course ignore, Groper, as you ignore everything that doesn't fit in with your bigoted world view.
"In Britain, 7 Unelected Lords Are Helping to Block an Assisted Dying Bill. A small group in the House of Lords has proposed hundreds of amendments that are helping stymie a bill that was meant to legalize medically assisted death for the terminally ill. [The New York Times, April 24th].
"The assisted dying Bill will fall on Friday, having run out of time to complete its passage through this session of Parliament. Peers opposed to the assisted dying Bill are 'condemning generations of terminally ill patients to die in agony', Dame Esther Rantzen said ahead of the fall of proposed legislation this week. The broadcaster and Childline founder, who is terminally ill and has been a leading voice in the campaign to legalise assisted dying, said she is “bitterly disappointed” that some of those sitting in the House of Lords “have conspired to sabotage our democracy”. [The Express and Star, 24th April, 2026]
"A letter to MPs, which was signed by almost 200 peers, said the Bill 'will fall as a result of deliberate delaying tactics pursued by a minority of peers opposed to its passage'. Of the amendments listed, more than 800 have been tabled or sponsored by seven peers. The letter stated: 'We regret that this failure will disappoint the overwhelming majority of people in this country who support a change to the law and were looking to Parliament to enact it.' The peers' letter noted no vote on the Bill had taken place in the Lords, and warned the 'vital issue, which has wide public support, will not go away until it is resolved'. [The Daily Mail, April 24th 2026].
Continued below.
Gene "Groper" Vincent, you are wrong.
ReplyDeleteThe Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill has neither been passed nor defeated [2]:
"As Sky News has previously reported, supporters are planning to enlist some 200 MPs to attempt to bring the bill back into contention this summer. The next private members' bill ballot is due to be held on 21 May. Supporters think they have 200 MPs who would be willing to reintroduce the bill if one of them is successful in the ballot. They then plan to try and get it through the Commons quickly on the grounds that MPs have already scrutinised it.
"This is not over," Ms Leadbeater said. "The issue is not going to go away just because of an undemocratic filibuster in the Lords. We will keep pushing for a safer, more compassionate law until parliament reaches a final decision."
If it passes the Commons, the bill would then head back to the Lords. If it once again fails to pass the upper chamber in time, supporters will use the Parliament Act to get it through, regardless of whether peers back it. The Parliament Act says that the same bill, twice passed by MPs but rejected by peers in two consecutive sessions, becomes law anyway. It's rarely used, only twice this century. Never before has it been used for a private members' bill - although officials have confirmed it could, in theory. But it would mean that no further changes could be made to the bill." [Sky News, April 24th 2026]
Facts: where are yours, Groper? what was the result of the vote in the Lords'? Oh, wait, there wasn't one, was there?
So not a defeat, but a setback.
A setback brought about by seven unelected bigots abusing parliamentary procedure to shut down legislation they don't care for - the fact that they are approved of by a self-confessed groper like Gene tells you what kind of people they are.
And a setback, but not a defeat.
The The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill will probably become law by the end of the Parliamentary session in April 2027.
Just as with the law enacting adoption by gay couples and the law enacting same sex-marriage, Gene "Groper" Vincent once more proves to be the kiss of death to any cause he promotes, the St Jude [who was the patron saint both of lost causes and sexual gropers] of Hillingdon.
"This is not over," Ms Leadbeater said.
ReplyDeleteOh! yes it is you bitch.
Gene
More of Gene “Groper” Vincent’s finely honed and lucidly argued political discourse. When faced with facts he can’t refute or arguments he can’t counter we get anonymous abuse from a nasty little creep cowering behind a pseudonym. God preserve you, Groper Gene, from the curse of introspection - if ever you realise just what a pathetic creature you are it might destroy you.
DeleteThis is a historic day! Great rejoicing from so many in England's green and pleasant land. I feel so good. I know it's not right to gloat. But how can I not? I read this bollocks from bad loser Detterling and I gloat. Yes, I gloat.
ReplyDeleteJohnny Bluenote
Robert Kennedy: To me, I think those laws are abhorrent. And we just see in Canada today, I think the number one cause of death is assisted suicide, and as you say, it targets people with disabilities and people who are struggling in their lives. And I don’t think we can be a moral society, we can’t be a moral society around the globe if that becomes institutionalized throughout our society. So, I am happy to work with you in whatever way we can.
ReplyDeleteI have waited years for this, for Detterling to suffer such a devastating defeat and humiliation. Bravo Gene!
ReplyDeleteGary Bandal
Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote:
ReplyDelete"I read this bollocks from bad loser Detterling and I gloat."
You are wrong, Groper.
You have almost certainly not read any of it, and if you have read any of it you certainly have not understood it, because bollocks it certainly is not, not to mention that alcohol and narcissism have reduced your once adequate intelligence to that of a fuckwit.
Nor is Detterling a bad loser; the cause of the Assisted Dying bill is one he supports purely because it will enhance the control of terminally and incurably ill people over how they die. As with the other causes that obsess you, Groper - abortion, anal sexual intercourse, whether homosexual or heterosexual - Detterling neither supports nor opposes the principle of assisted dying. But he ls a man who supports freedom of choice and insists that it be enjoyed by everyone. including those with whose choices he would disagree. It's a principle - in short live and let live - with which you disagree, Groper.
Let all that alone, you are wrong, Groper.
--- the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) bill was passed in the Commons, but has not been defeated in the Lords - FACT
--- this is because it has never been put to a vote - FACT
--- this is because a group of peers [a] violently opposed to assisted dying and [b] terrified that if the bill would pass in the Lords were it to be voted on have submitted 1000 amendments to the bill - FACT
--- their doing so was a deliberate tactic to shut down the bill by ensuring that it ran out of parliamentary time - FACT
--- and they did this because - like you, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote - they are not democrats, and are unable to stomach the idea of being gainsaid - FACT
--- the irony is, of course, that you, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote, condemn those who support the Assisted Dying legislation by smearing them as Nazis, whilst at the same time behaving like Nazis themselves - unable to argue their case, shouting down opposition and in the end preventing any discussion, because the end justifies the means, the ultimate Nazi philosophy - FACT
Gloat away, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote, and make the most of it. Your elation will be short lived. Ms Leadbeater's bill will start its second passage through the Commons in the next Parliamentary session and, when it arrives again in the Lords, the Parliament Act will be used to ensure that the unelected Lords will have to pass it.
Suck on that, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Frances "Fanny" Dango, Groper Johnny Bluenote, and prepare for another humiliation such as you suffered on the adoption of children by homosexual couples and same sex marriage - FACT
Perhaps, Groper Gene, Groper Mary, Groper Tony of the Big Saloon, Groper Johnny Bluenote, you could take turns to grope Frances "Fanny" Dango to pass the time.
Only one riposte to that Detterling:
ReplyDeleteASSISTED SUICIDE IT SHALL NEVER BE
NOT IN MERRIE ENGLAND
LAND OF THE FREE
Sebastian D'Orsai
Exactly, Groper: ignore the facts, stuff your head up your arse and pretend that the world will follow your lead.
ReplyDeleteIt is hard to believe that someone as cretinous and nasty as you, with a narcissistic psychosis as obvious as an udder on a bull, was once trusted to teach children.
Not that someone with your track record of sexual criminality would be allowed within a mile of a school these days.
"Exactly, Groper: ignore the facts, stuff your head up your arse and pretend that the world will follow your lead."
ReplyDeleteHa! Ha! Ha! That's exactly what you are doing Detters. The move to impose assisted suicide on this great nation has been blown out of the water. It is not happening. Face facts and live with that you aging tosser.
Sebastian D'Orsai
I give thanks to God. I give thanks to Saint Michael the Archangel our protector. This is a great day. After Mass today the congregation were all jubilant for this great victory.
ReplyDeleteASSISTED SUICIDE IT SHALL NEVER BE
NOT IN MERRIE ENGLAND
LAND OF THE FREE
Mary Winterbourne
The Assisted Dying bill will start its second passage through the Commons by the end of next month. When it reaches the Lords the Parliament Act will be used to ensure that it passes into law.
ReplyDeleteThe Parliament Act is a legal instrument which ensures that in the last analysis the elected Commons can override the unelected Lords when it comes to making law. It has been used twice this century to pass legislation in the face of the Lords’ opposition.
In 2000 it brought about the equalisation of the homosexual and heterosexual age of consent - one in the eye for Groper Gene.
In 2004 it was used to outlaw foxhunting - another feature of the mythical “Merrie England” that Groper Gene witters on about whenever his pig-ignorant bigotry is challenged.
And in 2027 it will be used to ensure that the Assisted Dying Act becomes law.
Once again, Groper Gene finds himself pissing into the wind of change. Ignorant, bigoted, nasty, stupid, unable to see round the first corner of history, sliding inexorably into a fog of alcoholic dementia - it would be tragic if it weren’t so funny.
"The Assisted Dying bill will start its second passage through the Commons by the end of next month. When it reaches the Lords the Parliament Act will be used to ensure that it passes into law."
DeleteNo. That will not happen. Common decency will never allow the Parliament Act to be used in this matter.
GENE
You know fuck all about common decency, Groper. Someone who understands common decency does not boast about buggering other men's wives, or grope and sexually touch defenceless young women in deserted school classrooms and empty corridors.
DeleteStop pissing into the wind, Groper.
Why "Bravo" - Gene has done fuck all towards halting this legislation in the Lords except publish over-wrought piss about Nazi Germany on this blog - which no-one reads. Hence the dire assembly of sock puppets with which he has had to populate this thread to give the impression that he has supportive friends.
ReplyDeleteThe Church of England firmly opposes the legalization of assisted dying, upholding that all life is sacred and a gift from God. Senior bishops, particularly the Bishop of London, argue that such legislation is dangerous, unworkable, and poses a risk to the most vulnerable, potentially pressuring them to end their lives.
ReplyDeletewww.churchofengland.org
So why are you opposing your Church Detterling?
GENE
Not even close, Groper.
Delete[1] Post a link to confirm that this statement is a statement of an official Church of England policy towards assisted dying, including the date of this policy's passing into Canon law by all three houses of the General Synod.
"The Church of England firmly opposes the legalization of assisted dying, upholding that all life is sacred and a gift from God. Senior bishops, particularly the Bishop of London, argue that such legislation is dangerous, unworkable, and poses a risk to the most vulnerable, potentially pressuring them to end their lives."
You can't, because it isn't. It's obvious journalism.
FAIL, Groper.
[2] Find me a statement that expresses Detterling's unequivocal support by Detterling for the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) bill.
You can't, because he hasn't made such a statement because he has no convictions either way on the question, any more than he has convictions either way on the matter of abortion or anal sexual intercourse, whether this be heterosexual or homosexual.
This is because Detterling's views on all three of those topics are relevant and important only to him, and he has not, does not, and will not seek to impose them on those who do not share his beliefs - unlike you, whose guiding principle is that if you choose not to do something, then no-one else should even be allowed any choice on the matter.
FAIL, Groper.
Is that the best you can do? Pathetic, Groper.
As ever, Groper, you are trying to trick Detterling into a false position by misrepresenting his views.
You can't, because he hasn't made such a statement because he has no convictions either way on the question, any more than he has convictions either way on the matter of abortion or anal sexual intercourse, whether this be heterosexual or homosexual.
DeleteWHAT A COP OUT!!!
No wonder Gene call you a canting old phony.
Sebastian D'Orsai
Groper, “What a cop out” is the kind of incoherent and meaningless comment you make when you have no substantive counter argument to make.
DeleteFAIL, Groper.
ReplyDelete"The Church of England firmly opposes the legalization of assisted dying, upholding that all life is sacred and a gift from God. Senior bishops, particularly the Bishop of London, argue that such legislation is dangerous, unworkable, and poses a risk to the most vulnerable, potentially pressuring them to end their lives."
You can't, because it isn't. It's obvious journalism.
My God! You are disputing an official Church of England statement. Of course the C of E opposes assisted suicide. Check out the C of E website from where this statement comes.
www.churchofengland.org
Detterling you have been defeated and how!
GENE
FAIL, Groper.
DeleteThis is not a statement of Church of England Canonical law.
And you know this because you have failed to source it properly.
Because you can’t.
FAIL, Groper.
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Sarah Mullally, speaking briefly in the debate, emphasised the shared wish of both opponents and proponents of the Bill that those who are terminally ill should be treated with compassion and be able to die in a pain-free and dignified way. She paid tribute to the ‘enormous’ amount of work that had gone into the Committee Stage of the Bill.
ReplyDeleteShe said: “I oppose this Bill in principle, both as a priest and as a nurse.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it Detterling.
GENE
Remarkable how you suddenly rely on the statement of a female archbishop, Groper, when only a few years ago you mocked the very idea of female bishops , and taunted those supported them so cruelly.
ReplyDeleteTypical Groper hypocrisy.
And the Archbishop of Canterbury does not speak for the church, or insist that all Anglicans live out their beliefs according to rules that she lays down.
FAIL, Groper.
After all, you ignore your own church’s teaching when it suits you, Groper.
You ignored Pope Paul VI’s Humana Vitae and practised artificial contraception in both your first marriage and your second adulterous “marriage” (sic) while confessing neither as sins and thus accessing Holy Communion unshriven.
Or, more recently, you refused to follow Pope Francis’s lead in not condemning homosexuality and homosexuals and his courageous extending the church’s blessings to same sex couples, even making nonsensical claims to the effect that homosexuality is condemned in the Gospels.
And as for your track record as a serial and chronic sexual groper of young women in empty classrooms and deserted corridors, you are referred to the book of the prophet Kallypygius, chapter 23, verse 69;
“Grope not that ye be not groped: for he that fondleth the nether parts and stroketh the upper, who privily plucketh the knicker elastic and twangeth the bra strap shall be cast into outer darkness where is wanking and spilling of seed.”
FAIL. FAIL, FAIL, Groper?
Is that all you’ve got, Groper? Yah boo sucks and he said she said?
Faith leaders join to oppose Bill to legalise assisted suicide
ReplyDeleteThe Bishop of London, the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster and the Chief Rabbi, lead signatories warning that a ‘right to die’ could ‘all too easily’ end in vulnerable people feeling they have a ‘duty to die.’
Bishop of London
Leaders of the major faiths have spoken of their deep concern about the impact on vulnerable people should assisted suicide be approved by Parliament, in a letter published ahead of the Second Reading of the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill.
Signatories headed by the Bishop of London, Church of England lead bishop for health and social care, who is a former Chief Nursing Officer for England, the Roman Catholic Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster and the Chief Rabbi, warn that a ‘right to die’ could ‘all too easily’ end in vulnerable people feeling they have a ‘duty to die.’
A truly compassionate response to the end of life lies in investment in palliative care, they say in the letter, published in The Observer newspaper, signed by 29 faith leaders.
Official Opposition: The Church's General Synod has voted against the legalisation of assisted suicide twice, in 2012 and 2022. The 2022 motion passed with a large majority, with only 7% of members supporting a change in the law.
ReplyDeleteActive Advocacy: Bishops in the House of Lords have been prominent in opposing the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill.
"Duty to Die" Fear: Church leaders, including the Bishop of London and the Archbishop of York, have argued that legalising assisted dying would put immense pressure on elderly, disabled, and vulnerable people to end their lives, fearing they are a burden.
Alternative Care: The Church strongly advocates for better funding and access to palliative care services rather than facilitating death.
Key Arguments Used by the Church
Sanctity of Life: The belief that human life is a gift from God and that "authority over death belongs to God alone," as stated by the Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell.
The "Slippery Slope": Concerns that easing restrictions for terminal illness will lead to wider applications, eventually including the disabled or those with non-terminal conditions, citing international evidence, as noted by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Patient-Doctor Trust: Arguments that changing the law would damage the core trust between doctors and patients.
Protection of the Vulnerable: The contention that the current legal framework best protects the most vulnerable members of society.
Diocese of London
None of which amounts to an official declaration by the Church of England that all Anglicans must oppose assisted suicide.
ReplyDeleteThe Journal of Anglican Studies surveyed over 3,000 Anglican priests, and below is the abstract of the results.
One in the eye for Groper.
"Attitude towards assisted dying was assessed among 3,230 people who took part in the Church 2024 survey. Asked to respond to the statement ‘I am in favour of allowing assisted dying’, 51% disagreed, 28% agreed and 21% were uncertain, suggesting a sizable minority were either in favour of changing the law or undecided. Those against changing the law tended to agree that it is wrong for someone to take their own life, that only God can give and take life and that the risks of abusing any process are too great. Opinion varied across various groups, with women more in favour than men, the old more in favour than the young, laity more in favour than clergy and Anglo-Catholics or Broad Church more in favour than Evangelicals. Personal and psychological disposition predicted some variations in attitude towards assisted dying, probably because they predisposed individuals to taking more general liberal or conservative stances. The patterns are similar to those seen in several different moral issues debated in the Church of England in the last three decades, suggesting assisted dying might follow a similar trajectory in years to come."
The 51%/49% shows that the majority against assisted dying among Anglican clergy is wafer thin.
Since you conducting this "argument" at a yah boo sucks level [all you are capable of, Groper], up yours, Groper.
Among lay Christians - both Church of England and Roman Catholic, a survey by Dignity in Dying, shows even stronger support for assisted dying, as follows:
Delete"More than three quarters of Church of England Christians, and 2 in 3 Roman Catholics, believe that the UK’s ban on assisted dying should end. Around 7 in 10 (69%) of people who follow a religion in England and Wales have indicated that they would support assisted dying becoming a legal option for terminally ill people in the UK.
A poll of 1,844 people in England and Wales, of which 766 belong to a religion, found that those who would back a change in the law included more than three quarters (78%) of people who described their faith as Church of England, Anglican or Episcopal, and more than two-thirds (68%) of Roman Catholics.
The research, released as part of Dignity in Dying’s new report, showed that there is support for assisted dying among all major religions in the UK, including Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism.
Over half (58%) of religious people in England and Wales said they know a loved one who has suffered at the end of life, with four in 10 (38%) believing their loved one would have considered an assisted death had it been a legal option for them in the UK.
Rabbi Dr Jonathan Romain, Chair of Dignity in Dying, said:
“This research shows that, all over the country and in every walk of life, people are crying out for change on assisted dying. That includes an overwhelming majority of people of faith, myself included, who support this change because of our beliefs, not in spite of them.
“Millions of people have watched a loved one suffer at the end of their life. They know that, whatever your beliefs, there is no moral argument for prolonging suffering when a dying person says that’s enough, I want to take control.
Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, said: “It is no surprise to me that large numbers of Christians would support a compassionate assisted dying law in this country. One of the key themes of the Gospels is love for our fellow human beings. Doing whatever we can to relieve needless suffering and bring peace is a profoundly Christian act. It is my greatest hope that, after many years of delay, lawmakers will now finally grasp this issue and craft a new settlement for dying people that provides the compassion and kindness that so many in this country would like to see.”
Public support for assisted dying has been consistently high for many decades. Nearly 8 in 10 people (78%) in England and Wales say they would support the introduction of a law that would enable terminally ill, mentally competent adults this choice.
Dignity in Dying’s report brings together, for the first time, existing evidence plus brand new research and polling on how the UK’s lack of a legal, safeguarded option of assisted dying causes significant harm to dying people and their families every day. It exposes how the current law is:
UNSAFE: Up to 650 dying people end their own lives in the UK every year. These deaths are often violent and lonely.
UNFAIR: 17 people a day suffer as they die because palliative care, no matter how good, cannot relieve all suffering all of the time.
UNREGULATED: More than 630 dying Brits have travelled to Switzerland for an assisted death. This option is not available to everyone, and the law offers no protection to individuals or loved ones who provide support.
None of the facts in the previous post will change your mind, Groper, such as it is, because you haven't had a new thought in twenty five years, and things like facts and evidence only serve to confuse you.
DeleteNor will it make you think twice [although it should] about insulting fellow Christians who disagree with you on this matter.
But look around the congregation at Mass next Sunday, and reflect that
[a] TWO THIRDS of them think that you are talking piss about assisted dying [Dignity in Dying]
[b] THREE QUARTERS of them [according to PEW Research] think that you are talking piss about same sex marriage,
[c] ABOUT A THIRD of them think that you are or may be talking bollocks about abortion, according to research by
https:/catholicsinbritain.le.ac.uk/
The truth is not, of course, determined by majority opinion, but nor is its cause served the kind of juvenile crowing and name calling with which you always prosecute your views.
And it really is time that you learned an essential lesson, Groper, which is that YOUR way of conducting your religious and prayer life is not the only way, and that people who say the same creeds as you do are entitled to disagree with you should they wish to, without being accused of betrayal of the faith, or heresy or blasphemy. If your psychosis tells you that you are God or the Pope, fair enough: but don't make a complete tit of yourself by expecting everyone to treat you as if this were a reality.
I will render account of myself to my Lord in due course and in the meantime, no-one, least of all a drunken, sexually delinquent Cockney ponce, is going to tell me what to believe, think or do.
Got that, Groper?
Detterling why don't you throw in the towel? You have been beaten out of sight by Gene. Anyone who could post this totally fatuous statement "No debate = no vote = no victory or defeat." has been beaten out of sight.
ReplyDeleteTony of the Big Saloon
Piss off, Groper: the fact that you keep repeating this juvenile jargon - throwing in the towel, being beaten out of sight - shows that you are incapable of coherent thought.
Delete[a] The Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill was not defeated in the House of Lords, because it was never put to the vote;
[b] it was talked out after a group of ten peers tabled over 800 amendments to the bill, knowing that doing so would ensure that the bill would fall because it ran out of time, thus
[c] avoiding a vote which they were fairly sure that they would lose.
Quite the worst aspect of this political chicanery is its likely end result which is that
[a] the Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill will be reintroduced in the Commons next month and pushed through its first and second readings, its committee stage, report stage and third reading with minimal scrutiny;
[b] it will then return to the Lords and, by the use of the Parliament Act, will similarly be pushed through its first and second readings, its committee stage, report stage and third reading with minimal scrutiny, at which point the Parliament Act will be used to enact the bill into law without the Lords' opinion being put to a vote.
Consider the results of this:
[1] the Groper Gang of peers have talked out a bill which, humane in spirit, was badly flawed legally and procedurally;
[2] because of this, the bill will be re-presented in the Commons and shovelled through its stages there with minimal scrutiny and revision before being passed;
[3] it will then return to the Lords and, similarly, shovelled through its stages there with minimal scrutiny and revision, before the use of the Parliament Act will enforce its passage into law.
So what have the Groper Gang achieved?
They talked out a flawed bill, thus ensuring that the letter of any law passed using it would fail to live up to its humanist spirit.
But by talking it out, rather than acting democratically and allowing a vote to return it to the Commons for furthe revision, they have ensured its return to the Lords.
When this happens, the use of the Parliament Act will limit and/or prevent the revision that bill needs, so that, at some point in the next year, the House of Lords will pass the Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill into law WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ITS FLAWS INTACT.
THAT'S what you are crowing about, you stupid bugger, you cretinous quarter-wit, you dazzlingly stupid oaf, Groper.
Bigoted clowns like you, who cannot, who won't, see round the first corner of history, have taken careful aim and shat all over themselves, and the rest of us, by ensuring the passage into law of a bad bill.
Gene, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire: you can't help being stupid, but I wish you wouldn't glory in it.
"When this happens, the use of the Parliament Act will limit and/or prevent the revision that bill needs, so that, at some point in the next year, the House of Lords will pass the Terminally Ill Adults [End of Life] bill into law... "
ReplyDeleteThis will not happen. Even the supporters of this vile bill would be too ashamed to use the Parliament Act.
GENE
Groper, go on lying to yourself if it makes you feel better. Or fuck off: you choose, I really don't mind. You are calculatingly, wilfully, impenetrably stupid. You are presented with factual evidence that your position and your beliefs on this matter - to which of course you are entitled - place you in a minority of about 20% of the population of this country. This means that an assisted dying act will be enacted into law this century - probably not in my lifetime, possibly in yours, but certainly in my children's. Any fool can see that.
DeleteYou should accept that, just as with abortion, with the adoption of children by homosexual couples, and with same sex marriage, your views, just as they were on those issues, will be ignored and over-ridden by the process of democratic government.
And that is what you can't stand, isn't it, Gene? that your tantrums are ignored, as they deserve to be. But the problem is that the tantrums thrown by the ten peers in the Lords will result in their being responsible for a badly flawed act becoming law - and for their supporters, like you, Groper, being responsible alongside them. THAT'S what you are crowing about, you stupid bugger, you cretinous quarter-wit, you dazzlingly stupid oaf, Groper.
Bigoted clowns like you, who cannot, who won't, see round the first corner of history, have taken careful aim and shat all over themselves, and the rest of us, by ensuring the passage into law of a bad bill. Groper, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire: you can't help being stupid, but I wish you wouldn't glory in it.
I feel sorry for you sometimes, Groper, because one day it will dawn on you that, although no human being is worthless, you are not far short of being pointless.
But then I remember the filth you have published here about my wife, my son, my grand-daughters, and how you have exulted in the pain that that filth has caused. And it strengthens my resolve.
Anyway, please present my apologies to "Marianne" for what is about to happen. She is plainly a good woman, and she doesn't deserve for her patience, tolerance and loyalty to be rewarded by the public humiliation that will result from A N Wilson's forthcoming article about "Granny Barkes fell in Woolworths" featuring your fraudulent use of his name attached to reviews of that dreadful publication.
After he was sent and had received and read "Granny Barkes fell in Woolworths", he rang me and we had an interesting talk on the phone for about an hour this evening, while I took him on a guided tour through "Gene, a voice in the wilderness". He was variously amused, astonished, bewildered and by the end thoroughly infuriated and litigiously resolute, and was very clear about guaranteeing my anonymity in what will happen next.
That's all for now, Groper. I am leaving our home in Chester tomorrow afternoon for a fortnight in retreat at Corrymela. See you in the headlines.
" I am leaving our home in Chester tomorrow"
ReplyDeleteYour home is on Tyneside. More lies.
GENE
Corrymeela? If you ask me Corrymeela is nowt but a haven for Irish pseuds and pinko liberals,
ReplyDeleteGENE