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Wednesday, 29 May 2024
POPE FRANCIS
"What I allowed was not to bless the union," he said. "That cannot be done because that is not the sacrament. I cannot. The Lord made it that way. But to bless each person, yes. The blessing is for everyone."
SOME members of some of the Abraham faiths proclaim that homosexual practices are sinful;"
No. All of the Abrahamic faiths proclaim homosexual practices sinful and all members of those faiths ipso facto accept that homosexual practices are sinful.
"Pope Francis is happy to bless gay couples in same-sex unions"
No. Pope Francis has made it very clear that gay unions cannot be blessed. He has said that God cannot bless sin. Individuals can be blessed - any individuals.
"SOME ordained members of the Christian churches teach that homosexual acts are grave sin."
No. If homosexual acts are proclaimed sinful by Christian churches then ordained ministers in those churches must teach that these acts are gravely sinful. For example, name me an ordained minister in the Catholic Church who teaches otherwise.
Stuffed again Detterling. You never learn that tangling with Gene ends in defeat and humiliation for you.
"All of the Abrahamic faiths proclaim homosexual practices sinful and all members of those faiths ipso facto accept that homosexual practices are sinful."
No, Gene, once again, you are assuming that official hierarchical doctrine defines what happens at, so to speak, parish level. It doesn't, and it never has.
For example, the Catholic Church does not recognise divorce, yet you, as a divorced man, have access to all the Catholic sacraments allowed you by priests who know your condition.
The process of annulment, as we both know, is an utterly bogus work around which enables the church to claim that the marriage never actually happened. How any Catholic priest can proclaim that and keep a straight face God alone knows.
Likewise, as a Catholic you are forbidden to practice artificial contraception by the Holy Father - but, unless you only shagged Marianne three times and hit the jackpot each time, you plainly did in your [adulterous] second "marriage" [sic]
Two examples only out of many - all of which completely destroy your preposterous claims that all members professing an Abrahamic faith accept its teachings on everything. You are a living example of that fact.
Nor does this preposterous hair splitting make you look any less ridiculous.
"Pope Francis has made it very clear that gay unions cannot be blessed. He has said that God cannot bless sin. Individuals can be blessed - any individuals."
FACT: Pope Francis is happy to bless couples in same-sex unions, and the bestowal of such a blessing on the couples is irrespective of whether their relationship is physically celibate or not. Such a blessing is, de facto, a recognition that their relationship is valid, and no amount of chop-logic on your part will undo that fact.
"If homosexual acts are proclaimed sinful by Christian churches then ordained ministers in those churches must teach that these acts are gravely sinful. For example, name me an ordained minister in the Catholic Church who teaches otherwise."
Father Brian Massingale, priest and Professor of Applied Christian Ethics at Fordham University, New York.
FACT: Pope Francis is happy to bless couples in same-sex unions, and the bestowal of such a blessing on the couples is irrespective of whether their relationship is physically celibate or not. Such a blessing is, de facto, a recognition that their relationship is valid, and no amount of chop-logic on your part will undo that fact.
My God!!! Can't you read?
POPE FRANCIS
"What I allowed was not to bless the union," he said. "That cannot be done because that is not the sacrament. I cannot. The Lord made it that way. But to bless each person, yes. The blessing is for everyone."
He is making it perfectly clear he is NOT blessing the union. Once again you are trying to argue black is white. Can't you read?
"Fr. Bryan Massingale: My Dream Wedding Is an LGBTQ Couple Marrying Before the Church February 24, 2022/2
Fr. Bryan Massingale is a leading voice in the mission of dismantling homophobic and racist elements of the institutional Catholic Church.
Massingale, who is the James and Nancy Buckman Professor of Theological and Social Ethics at Fordham University, is a Black Catholic priest who has publicly come out as gay. He was ordained in 1983 at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, which devastated the queer and Black communities. Massingale told the Associated Press that one of his first funerals as a newly ordained priest was of a “gay man whose family wanted no mention of his sexuality or the disease.”
“They should have been able to turn to their church in their time of grief,” he added. “Yet they couldn’t because that stigma existed in great measure because of how many ministers were speaking about homosexuality and AIDS as being a punishment for sin.”
Massingale, who is also a Senior Ethics Fellow in Fordham’s Center for Ethics Education, teaches classes on sexuality, race, and ethics. AP reported:
“Massingale teaches a class on homosexuality and Christian ethics, using biblical texts to challenge church teaching on same-sex relations. He said he came to terms with his own sexuality at 22, upon reflecting on the book of Isaiah.
“‘I realized that no matter what the church said, God loved me and accepted me as a Black gay man,’ he said.”
The fight for the full inclusion of LGBTQ Catholics intersects with the fight for the full inclusion of Black Catholics. Massingale “decries the scourge of racial inequality” in the U.S. church.
He shared another story of when he celebrated his first Mass at a predominantly white Church. “The first parishioner to greet me at the door said to me: ‘Father, you being here is the worst mistake the archbishop could have made. People will never accept you.’”
The homophobia and racism in Massingale’s experiences are justifiable reasons to leave the Catholic Church. However, given the choice, he stayed:
“‘I’m not going to let the church’s racism rob me of my relationship with God. . .I see it as my mission to make the church what it says it is: more universal and the institution that I believe Jesus wants it to be.'”
Massingale’s message is aligned with Pope Francis’ call for “compassionate pastoral care for LGBTQ Catholics.” However, Massingale seeks to push further. He envisions a church where “Catholics enjoy the same privileges regardless of sexual orientation.” He also supports the ordination of women and optional celibacy for Catholic clergy.
“I think that one can express one’s sexuality in a way that is responsible, committed, life giving and an experience of joy,” he said.
Massingale also shared that coming out “has come at a cost.”
“I have lost some priest friends who find it difficult to be too closely associated with me because if they’re friends with me, ‘what will people say about them?’” he said.
Massingale still holds hope for change in the Catholic Church, as gradual as it is. “My dream wedding would be either two men or two women standing before the church; marrying each other as an act of faith and I can be there as the official witness to say: ‘Yes, this is of God,'” he said after a recent class at Fordham. “If they were Black, that would be wonderful.”
—Elise Dubravec (she/her), New Ways Ministry, February 24, 2022
He envisions a church where “Catholics enjoy the same privileges regardless of sexual orientation.”
“I think that one can express one’s sexuality in a way that is responsible, committed, life giving and an experience of joy.”
"My dream wedding would be either two men or two women standing before the church; marrying each other as an act of faith and I can be there as the official witness to say: ‘Yes, this is of God.”
"Nowhere does this priest proclaim that homosexual acts are not sinful."
Gene, you are insane: you really ought to seek psychiatric help.
Are you SERIOUSLY maintaining that Fr Massingale stipulates that all same-marriages be celibate? Fuck off, why don't you?
If this priest had proclaimed that homosexual acts were not sinful you would be able to reproduce such a proclamation. If this priest had proclaimed that homosexual acts were not sinful he would be immediately dismissed from the priesthood. He can 'envision' all he likes. It is not going to happen.
Another more famous American Jesuit priest, Fr James Martin, has been promoting the gay lobby route incessantly for years. He has, despite being challenged to do so, never declared that homosexual acts are not sinful. If he did he would get his P45 - or pink slip as the call it in the USA. 'Pink slip' - very appropriate here methinks! Tee! Hee! Hee!
SOME members of some of the Abraham faiths proclaim that homosexual practices are sinful;"
ReplyDeleteNo. All of the Abrahamic faiths proclaim homosexual practices sinful and all members of those faiths ipso facto accept that homosexual practices are sinful.
"Pope Francis is happy to bless gay couples in same-sex unions"
No. Pope Francis has made it very clear that gay unions cannot be blessed. He has said that God cannot bless sin. Individuals can be blessed - any individuals.
"SOME ordained members of the Christian churches teach that homosexual acts are grave sin."
No. If homosexual acts are proclaimed sinful by Christian churches then ordained ministers in those churches must teach that these acts are gravely sinful. For example, name me an ordained minister in the Catholic Church who teaches otherwise.
Stuffed again Detterling. You never learn that tangling with Gene ends in defeat and humiliation for you.
"All of the Abrahamic faiths proclaim homosexual practices sinful and all members of those faiths ipso facto accept that homosexual practices are sinful."
ReplyDeleteNo, Gene, once again, you are assuming that official hierarchical doctrine defines what happens at, so to speak, parish level. It doesn't, and it never has.
For example, the Catholic Church does not recognise divorce, yet you, as a divorced man, have access to all the Catholic sacraments allowed you by priests who know your condition.
The process of annulment, as we both know, is an utterly bogus work around which enables the church to claim that the marriage never actually happened. How any Catholic priest can proclaim that and keep a straight face God alone knows.
Likewise, as a Catholic you are forbidden to practice artificial contraception by the Holy Father - but, unless you only shagged Marianne three times and hit the jackpot each time, you plainly did in your [adulterous] second "marriage" [sic]
Two examples only out of many - all of which completely destroy your preposterous claims that all members professing an Abrahamic faith accept its teachings on everything. You are a living example of that fact.
Nor does this preposterous hair splitting make you look any less ridiculous.
"Pope Francis has made it very clear that gay unions cannot be blessed. He has said that God cannot bless sin. Individuals can be blessed - any individuals."
FACT: Pope Francis is happy to bless couples in same-sex unions, and the bestowal of such a blessing on the couples is irrespective of whether their relationship is physically celibate or not. Such a blessing is, de facto, a recognition that their relationship is valid, and no amount of chop-logic on your part will undo that fact.
"If homosexual acts are proclaimed sinful by Christian churches then ordained ministers in those churches must teach that these acts are gravely sinful. For example, name me an ordained minister in the Catholic Church who teaches otherwise."
Father Brian Massingale, priest and Professor of Applied Christian Ethics at Fordham University, New York.
FACT: Pope Francis is happy to bless couples in same-sex unions, and the bestowal of such a blessing on the couples is irrespective of whether their relationship is physically celibate or not. Such a blessing is, de facto, a recognition that their relationship is valid, and no amount of chop-logic on your part will undo that fact.
ReplyDeleteMy God!!! Can't you read?
POPE FRANCIS
"What I allowed was not to bless the union," he said. "That cannot be done because that is not the sacrament. I cannot. The Lord made it that way. But to bless each person, yes. The blessing is for everyone."
He is making it perfectly clear he is NOT blessing the union. Once again you are trying to argue black is white. Can't you read?
You take the biscuit Detterling.
"Father Brian Massingale, priest and Professor of Applied Christian Ethics at Fordham University, New York."
ReplyDeleteAnd show me where he teaches that homosexual acts are not sinful.
Oh, piss off, you fucking idiot. See below.
Delete"Fr. Bryan Massingale: My Dream Wedding Is an LGBTQ Couple Marrying Before the Church
February 24, 2022/2
Fr. Bryan Massingale is a leading voice in the mission of dismantling homophobic and racist elements of the institutional Catholic Church.
Massingale, who is the James and Nancy Buckman Professor of Theological and Social Ethics at Fordham University, is a Black Catholic priest who has publicly come out as gay. He was ordained in 1983 at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, which devastated the queer and Black communities. Massingale told the Associated Press that one of his first funerals as a newly ordained priest was of a “gay man whose family wanted no mention of his sexuality or the disease.”
“They should have been able to turn to their church in their time of grief,” he added. “Yet they couldn’t because that stigma existed in great measure because of how many ministers were speaking about homosexuality and AIDS as being a punishment for sin.”
Massingale, who is also a Senior Ethics Fellow in Fordham’s Center for Ethics Education, teaches classes on sexuality, race, and ethics. AP reported:
“Massingale teaches a class on homosexuality and Christian ethics, using biblical texts to challenge church teaching on same-sex relations. He said he came to terms with his own sexuality at 22, upon reflecting on the book of Isaiah.
“‘I realized that no matter what the church said, God loved me and accepted me as a Black gay man,’ he said.”
The fight for the full inclusion of LGBTQ Catholics intersects with the fight for the full inclusion of Black Catholics. Massingale “decries the scourge of racial inequality” in the U.S. church.
He shared another story of when he celebrated his first Mass at a predominantly white Church. “The first parishioner to greet me at the door said to me: ‘Father, you being here is the worst mistake the archbishop could have made. People will never accept you.’”
The homophobia and racism in Massingale’s experiences are justifiable reasons to leave the Catholic Church. However, given the choice, he stayed:
“‘I’m not going to let the church’s racism rob me of my relationship with God. . .I see it as my mission to make the church what it says it is: more universal and the institution that I believe Jesus wants it to be.'”
Massingale’s message is aligned with Pope Francis’ call for “compassionate pastoral care for LGBTQ Catholics.” However, Massingale seeks to push further. He envisions a church where “Catholics enjoy the same privileges regardless of sexual orientation.” He also supports the ordination of women and optional celibacy for Catholic clergy.
“I think that one can express one’s sexuality in a way that is responsible, committed, life giving and an experience of joy,” he said.
Massingale also shared that coming out “has come at a cost.”
“I have lost some priest friends who find it difficult to be too closely associated with me because if they’re friends with me, ‘what will people say about them?’” he said.
Massingale still holds hope for change in the Catholic Church, as gradual as it is. “My dream wedding would be either two men or two women standing before the church; marrying each other as an act of faith and I can be there as the official witness to say: ‘Yes, this is of God,'” he said after a recent class at Fordham. “If they were Black, that would be wonderful.”
—Elise Dubravec (she/her), New Ways Ministry, February 24, 2022
Well, a gay marriage in the Catholic Church is never going to happen!!!
ReplyDeleteNowhere does this priest proclaim that homosexual acts are not sinful.
He envisions a church where “Catholics enjoy the same privileges regardless of sexual orientation.”
Delete“I think that one can express one’s sexuality in a way that is responsible, committed, life giving and an experience of joy.”
"My dream wedding would be either two men or two women standing before the church; marrying each other as an act of faith and I can be there as the official witness to say: ‘Yes, this is of God.”
"Nowhere does this priest proclaim that homosexual acts are not sinful."
Gene, you are insane: you really ought to seek psychiatric help.
Are you SERIOUSLY maintaining that Fr Massingale stipulates that all same-marriages be celibate? Fuck off, why don't you?
If this priest had proclaimed that homosexual acts were not sinful you would be able to reproduce such a proclamation.
DeleteIf this priest had proclaimed that homosexual acts were not sinful he would be immediately dismissed from the priesthood. He can 'envision' all he likes. It is not going to happen.
Another more famous American Jesuit priest, Fr James Martin, has been promoting the gay lobby route incessantly for years. He has, despite being challenged to do so, never declared that homosexual acts are not sinful. If he did he would get his P45 - or pink slip as the call it in the USA. 'Pink slip' - very appropriate here methinks! Tee! Hee! Hee!